Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread John Plocher
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:59 PM, me wrote: > The OGB should really think about this > > We did, almost 3 years ago Since Oracle owns the trademarks (OpenSolaris *and* Solaris...), they can do whatever they wish with them. See http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/trademark -John _

Re: [osol-discuss] Move the network related configuration file on Solaris10 but not go into effect

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Have you Network Auto-Magic, aka NWAM, disabled? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread me
The obvious solution to this problem is to remove the "Open" from the name Solaris and we would not have an issue at all. This is the reason there are issues, keep the source code with the "OpenSolaris" name and the binary distro should be renamed Solaris Next pre-beta or something of the sort.

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread me
To Herzen this "If you use OpenSolaris, you should know how to build applications from source." is a presumptuous assumption. Just because people use and Operating System/Environment does not mean they have vast technical expertise. Some people are just hobbyists that like to try out or use dif

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread Hillel Lubman
> The last time I tried, MPlayer, the best video player IMO, > which comes with all the video codecs you might need Did you manage to play OGG video with mplayer on OpenSolaris smoothly? For some reason, it doesn't play it good. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Move the network related configuration file on Solaris10 but not go into effect

2010-06-29 Thread Simon
Really ? if so, I think there would be a big bug,anyone else can help confirm this ? Thanks. Simon On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:10 AM, John Plocher wrote: > Hot damn - a thread that is actually related to OpenSolaris code !!! :-) > > Given the difficulties in enumerating all the potential suffixes

Re: [osol-discuss] Move the network related configuration file on Solaris10 but not go into effect

2010-06-29 Thread John Plocher
Hot damn - a thread that is actually related to OpenSolaris code !!! :-) Given the difficulties in enumerating all the potential suffixes for what could go after the "hostname." part of the filename, I'd bet that the code simply looks for a wildcard like "hostname.*". If so, renaming the file to

[osol-discuss] Move the network related configuration file on Solaris10 but not go into effect

2010-06-29 Thread Simon Yuan
Hello, Our customer said after he moved the file "/etc/hostname.ce0" to "/etc/hostname.ce0_bak_20100628" on Solaris 10,the ip address which originally tied to the ce0 still take effect upon OS reset(that is,it can be seen in "ifconfig -a" output and still be configured on ce0 interface),why ? The

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Collins
On 06/30/10 12:40 PM, Glynn Foster wrote: On 29/06/2010, at 9:22 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Giovanni) wrote: I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1)

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Ken Gunderson
+1 So we no longer do. The obvious solution to the new order. I know for certain that this has cost Oracle projects in the millions. Larry could care less, however, as long as Oracle can continue pulling in projects worth tens/hundreds of millions. Oracle's the new law in town. Cowboy up a

[osol-discuss] Register: "Solaris, OpenSolaris, and the Oracle wall of secrecy"

2010-06-29 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/21/oracle_opensolaris_solaris_plans/ I'm not saying this is complete or accurate. All I'm saying is that people with $$ are probably noticing and not appreciating the silence. Again, probably none of the Oracle employees reading these lists/forums have the au

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Glynn Foster
On 29/06/2010, at 9:22 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Giovanni) wrote: I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently)

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Collins
On 06/29/10 09:22 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Giovanni) wrote: I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently)

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Chad Welsh > > I recommend you police your employee's and their demeaning behavior!!! If you're talking about me (I am the recent offender for language on the list, and I apolo

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Justin Fletcher
Den 29-06-2010 16:09, Mike DeMarco skrev: 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least in the GUI): NIC configuration is a pain; better go via command line That's one of the reasons, why OSOL 2010.X isn't out yet... ;-) We have heard that bugs are getting fixed and thats why

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Ken Gunderson
Does this vote of support includes: " Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code of Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Policy,." Just curious -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss m

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Svein Skogen
On 29.06.2010 22:20, Erik Trimble wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 12:35 -0700, me wrote: >> Maybe i could suggest that you do something like I used to do when I was in >> the Army. >> Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code of >> Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Pol

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Erik Trimble
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 12:35 -0700, me wrote: > Maybe i could suggest that you do something like I used to do when I was in > the Army. > Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code of > Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Policy, Etc. > > Maybe this will cool some head

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
>We do occasionally remove things when they very clearly violate the TOU Thank you. This answers my question. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread me
Maybe i could suggest that you do something like I used to do when I was in the Army. Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code of Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Policy, Etc. Maybe this will cool some heads in this forum and help to alleviate some temperaments.

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Elaine Ashton
No, I was trying to point out that your paranoid hysteria is merely people getting pretty fed up with the list, emailing us asking us to do something about it and our agreement that, yes, it has become a fairly tedious, abusive and stunningly unproductive venue for all sorts of bad behaviour.

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Sorry, I have found *one* of the "disappeared" posts. It was strangely placed in the post tree. Not sure about the other one. And it is still unclear whether there is moderation here. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
>Unless you have very specific examples of said post removals, you should not >make such asssertions Here you say that there is *NO* moderation. I have two examples, though can cite them only using my memory, as they are disappeared. Maybe not worth citing them actually. >As for moderation, it

Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble detecting Seagate LP 2TB drives

2010-06-29 Thread Peter Jones
fisher dot jim at mac dot com said: > I doubt that Oracle is going to maintain any commitment to opensolaris, and > am anticipating this whole site will disappear in the near future. With > Solaris limited to Oracle's own hardware now, I expect the "community" behind > it to do so as well. The OS w

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Elaine Ashton
Unless you have very specific examples of said post removals, you should not make such asssertions as, though I can't speak for the entire team, I am very sure posts have not have been removed from the mailing list archives as that is my domain and I am unaware of any such removals from this par

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Chad Welsh
Jim, I recommend you police your employee's and their demeaning behavior!!! when you treat people in that fashion they always tend to backlash. I think you should know best since I am always reading your post about making a better community. When you have company representatives (whether they r

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Peter Jones
>Team is prepared to take action up to and including moderation careful its not emotional thinking and its the last resort. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Peter Jones
I do hope the development branch of solaris called opensolaris can become a more autominous community in the future. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Chad Welsh
Matthias Pfützner and company, It has nothing to do with what you know or not, you sir are a pompus ass and treat people with total disrespect!!! Just because you work at Oracle and drink the Koolaid you can tell someone to go piss up a rope and use the forums as a personal insult playgrou

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
I have noticed that moderation is already in place. Some (maybe off-topic, maybe not) posts are deleted almost immediately. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-06-29 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Recently there has been mail on this list that violates the website Terms of Use. Individuals are being warned. However, if this trend continues the Website Team is prepared to take action up to and including moderation and/or deactivation of the list. Please do not respond to hostile posts bec

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Thanks for correcting me! That's what I had in mind. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > On 29 Jun 2010, at 15:16, Chad Welsh wrote: > > > testing the waters to see if I can get away with > treating Oracle employee's the same way they treat us > community members and hope that I don't get banned > from this one way free for all. > > If you're aware of Oracle employees personally

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Jörg, You (Joerg Schilling) wrote: > Matthias Pfützner wrote: > > > Why should a PAID ORACLE employee develop drivers for hardware that will > > never > > show up in an Oracle product? They do it on their spare time, just like you > > and me! > > Why should a member of the community write soft

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Chad Welsh wrote: > testing the waters to see if I can get away with treating Oracle employee's > the same way they treat us community members and hope that I don't get banned > from this one way free for all. It doesn't matter if the person you're attacking is an Oracle employee or not - that s

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Pfützner wrote: > Why should a PAID ORACLE employee develop drivers for hardware that will never > show up in an Oracle product? They do it on their spare time, just like you > and me! Why should a member of the community write software that will never show up in Solaris because there i

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> Did you see today's announcement of the new systems? > > > alan Impressive enough, but probably not of interest to those worrying about when 2010.xx will be released. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > > > Again, you're asking the wrong audience here... > Even > > if I (or any Sun/Oracle > > Employee) would know more, I wouldn't be allowed > to > > tell anything... > > Understood. Seems no-one is able to answer the > questions, This is what is leading to the downfall of > this development.

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Mike, You (Mike DeMarco) wrote: > > > > Again, you're asking the wrong audience here... Even > > if I (or any Sun/Oracle > > Employee) would know more, I wouldn't be allowed to > > tell anything... > > Understood. Seems no-one is able to answer the questions, This is what is > leading to the do

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
>revolt against ORACLE and get OpenSolaris out of their hands I afraid that they *own* this project/product. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
> Why are you worried about video codecs? If you use > OpenSolaris, you should know how to build > applications from source. The last time I tried, > MPlayer, the best video player IMO, which comes with > all the video codecs you might need, built under > OpenSolaris. > > (There used to be an IPS

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Why are you worried about video codecs? If you use OpenSolaris, you should know how to build applications from source. The last time I tried, MPlayer, the best video player IMO, which comes with all the video codecs you might need, built under OpenSolaris. (There used to be an IPS repository wh

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > Again, you're asking the wrong audience here... Even > if I (or any Sun/Oracle > Employee) would know more, I wouldn't be allowed to > tell anything... Understood. Seems no-one is able to answer the questions, This is what is leading to the downfall of this development. Without feedback `eve

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Sorry, meant to reply to mdemarco... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
It's summer. Programmers gone mountain-climbing ;) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Calum Benson
On 29 Jun 2010, at 15:16, Chad Welsh wrote: > testing the waters to see if I can get away with treating Oracle employee's > the same way they treat us community members and hope that I don't get banned > from this one way free for all. If you're aware of Oracle employees personally abusing com

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Chad, again: I would love to tell you more, if I would know, and if I would be allowed to. So, again: You're using the WRONG forum to ask these questions. All those, working for Oracle/Sun here on this alias simply can not tell you anything, either because they don't know, or because they are no

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Chad, that's getting personal now... At least in Germany, the country where I live, I would be allowed to sue you for such words... So, please, stop that! Matthias Du (Chad Welsh) schreibst: > Matthias oh god of the forum shut the 4uck up you are an annoying > koolaid drinking assh

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Mike, You (Mike DeMarco) wrote: > > > 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least > > in the GUI): NIC configuration is a pain; better go > > via command line > > > > That's one of the reasons, why OSOL 2010.X isn't out > > yet... ;-) > We have heard that bugs are getting fixed and thats wh

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Chad Welsh
testing the waters to see if I can get away with treating Oracle employee's the same way they treat us community members and hope that I don't get banned from this one way free for all. I hope there is someone that can realign the employee's attitudes when it comes to treating people right on t

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least > in the GUI): NIC configuration is a pain; better go > via command line > > That's one of the reasons, why OSOL 2010.X isn't out > yet... ;-) We have heard that bugs are getting fixed and thats why 2010.X is not out yet. What is getting fixe

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Chad Welsh
Matthias oh god of the forum shut the 4uck up you are an annoying koolaid drinking asshole!!! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Peter Jones
I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently) 2) Support for "new" hardware is still in development branches (new SAS 2 controllers from LSI in svn_134) 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least in the GUI): NIC configu

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Mike DeMarco
> Ahem: >http://genunix.org/dist/richlowe/README.txt > http://genunix.org/dist/richlowe/ > > Cheers, > -Shawn Thanks ;} -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Orvar Korvar wrote: > Alan, I know that many Linux distros has video codecs included. As > Unbreakable Linux is another distro, maybe it also has video codecs included? > (Unless it is a strictly server distro). If video codecs are included in > Unbreakable Linux, then Oracle has licenses. Maybe

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
The question of Support for Solaris/OpenSolaris has been discussed close ad infinitum here already. Please check the archives! And, the decision to use OpenSolaris on a production server is CU's (or yours), not Sun's, nor Oracle's... Matthias You (Fredrich Maney) wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28,

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: >> >> How is that any different from how Sun positioned it? I always got the >> impression >> that OS was the development platform for Solaris Next. How has that changed? >> >> fpsm > > I had the impression with a  stable release and a servi

Re: [osol-discuss] [opengrok] setup issue opengrok fails....

2010-06-29 Thread Onno Molenkamp
Hi, Sadanand Limaye schreef op 29-06-10 12:36: > Generated servlet error: > /var/apache/tomcat/work/Standalone/localhost/opengrok/index$jsp.java:77: '(' > expected. > List project = new ArrayList(); > ^ > An error occurred betwee

[osol-discuss] [opengrok] setup issue opengrok fails....

2010-06-29 Thread Sadanand Limaye
I am trying to comfigure opengrok. As per Opengrok documentation. done setup on Solaris X86 10 machine. when tried to acess http://localhost:8080/opengrok getting runtime error as type Exception report message Internal Server Error description The server encountered an internal error (Internal

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Giovanni) wrote: > I really do hope it it like you say. > > Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. > I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). > > 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently) Has been mentioned many times here: Oracle h

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle needs to re-evaluate it's stance on pretty much everything

2010-06-29 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Jack, On 06/29/10 06:32, Jack Kielsmeier wrote: I’m really missing pre-Oracle Sun. Recently, my company decided to purchase many Sun Fire X4200 servers. We needed DC power supplies and nothing too powerful CPU wise. Less than 24 hours upon submitting an order, we decided we wanted to lower

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Giovanni, On 06/29/10 06:57, Giovanni wrote 4) some key components (i.e. ramdisk implementation) have severe performance issues (a ram disk running at 500MB/s on DDR3 1333 is slower than working on a striped physical disk set; same ramdisk on Linux on same hw runs at several GB/s) B

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Unveils Next Generation Sun Fire x86 Clustered Systems

2010-06-29 Thread Edward Martinez
> > when Oracle says > "Oracle Solaris", that includes the OpenSolaris > distro.  For instance, > if you buy Oracle Solaris support, it *includes* > support for running > the OpenSolaris distro on that machine. that clarifies everything for me. for now on when Oracle mentions "oracle solaris",

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi, On 06/29/10 09:45, Orvar Korvar wrote: I know that Fluendo offers a free MP3 sound codec. But does Fluendo offer free video codecs? Alan, I know that many Linux distros has video codecs included. Wrong assumption. The most of Linux distros are not delivering "non-free" multimedia codecs

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle has Linux video codecs, so codecs for OSOL?

2010-06-29 Thread Orvar Korvar
I know that Fluendo offers a free MP3 sound codec. But does Fluendo offer free video codecs? Alan, I know that many Linux distros has video codecs included. As Unbreakable Linux is another distro, maybe it also has video codecs included? (Unless it is a strictly server distro). If video codecs