On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 09:36:05PM +0100, Jan Friedel wrote:
> RBAC related:
> Since I'm using the /usr/xpg4/bin path as the primary one, I was
> little bit confused, that, event thought I have the "Object
> Access Management" profile applied on my account, I'm not able
>
I agree that the native/traditional tools and paths should be system default.
Making global changes for users is already doable through things like
/etc/profile or /etc/.login. What might make peoples lives easier is a tool in
Gnome that can change the user level settings (.profile, .bashrc, .cs
Dennis Clarke wrote:
> I feel that the default PATH on any Solaris machine from Solaris 8 upwards
> *must* be :
>
> PATH=/usr/xpg4/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/ccs/bin
For sysadmins, yes. Developers, maybe not.
For my wife, /usr/bin is sufficient (finally! :
May be little bit offtopic.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:51:06AM -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote:
>
> > Ghee Teo wrote:
> >
> >> solarg wrote:
> >> > hello all,
> >> > i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
> >> > comparing to solaris chmod?
> >> >
.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:51:26AM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> The known bad interactions with GNU utilities in the default path have been
> tracked so far at:
> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/showdependencytree.cgi?id=576&hide_resolved=0
Thanks. It looks like ls(1) and chmod(1) vis-a-vis
>
>On Wed, January 14, 2009 13:39, Fredrich Maney wrote:
>> I agree with one caveat: the native fully supported and integrated Sun
>> tools should be come first the default PATHs when shipped and
>> modifying that value should be left up to the user.
>
>I see the logic. But what that implies is t
On Wed, January 14, 2009 13:39, Fredrich Maney wrote:
> I agree with one caveat: the native fully supported and integrated Sun
> tools should be come first the default PATHs when shipped and
> modifying that value should be left up to the user.
I see the logic. But what that implies is that some
Fredrich Maney wrote:
> I think you meant "single user machines", not "single machine users".
> Those are two very different scenarios. I can see not using ACLs in
> single user machines, of which I suspect there are far fewer than you
> think, but in a multi-user single machine, I certainly see AC
On Wed, January 14, 2009 11:56, Nicolas Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:15:33AM +0100, casper@sun.com wrote:
>>
>> >hello all,
>> >i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>> >comparing to solaris chmod?
>> >It's very annoying when using ACLs.
>>
>> No re
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Shawn Walker wrote:
> casper@sun.com wrote:
>>> solarg wrote:
hello all,
i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
comparing to solaris chmod?
It's very annoying when using ACLs.
>>> Familiarity; put /usr/bin first i
I agree with one caveat: the native fully supported and integrated Sun
tools should be come first the default PATHs when shipped and
modifying that value should be left up to the user. As for a setting
somewhere, why not simply put it in /etc/default somewhere along with
things like TIMEZONE, LANG
casper@sun.com wrote:
>> solarg wrote:
>>> hello all,
>>> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>>> comparing to solaris chmod?
>>> It's very annoying when using ACLs.
>> Familiarity; put /usr/bin first in your path if you'd prefer to use
>> /usr/bin/chmod instead
>solarg wrote:
>> hello all,
>> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>> comparing to solaris chmod?
>> It's very annoying when using ACLs.
>
>Familiarity; put /usr/bin first in your path if you'd prefer to use
>/usr/bin/chmod instead of /usr/gnu/bin/chmod.
You mean
solarg wrote:
> hello all,
> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
> comparing to solaris chmod?
> It's very annoying when using ACLs.
Familiarity; put /usr/bin first in your path if you'd prefer to use
/usr/bin/chmod instead of /usr/gnu/bin/chmod.
--
Shawn Walker
> How exactly? by modifying the gnu tools? including some gnu and some
> solaris tools where the later do not challenge the familiarity? or
> modifying solaris' tools?
That's still to be determined although a number of people have been
looking at this. In some cases, the existing OpenSolaris tool
Nicolas Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:15:33AM +0100, casper@sun.com wrote:
>>> hello all,
>>> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>>> comparing to solaris chmod?
>>> It's very annoying when using ACLs.
>> No reason; several of the GNU utilities are
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:15:33AM +0100, casper@sun.com wrote:
>
> >hello all,
> >i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
> >comparing to solaris chmod?
> >It's very annoying when using ACLs.
>
> No reason; several of the GNU utilities are broken in some way in So
As always.. the GNU vs non-GNU tool set brings up a heated debate. The big
issue I see here is that the GNU tools may be prevalent, but they obviously
don't cover all use cases and can be broken on certain platforms. We have to
remember that things like ACL's, special file systems, etc. are not
On Wed, January 14, 2009 02:44, solarg wrote:
> hello all,
> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
> comparing to solaris chmod?
> It's very annoying when using ACLs.
Probably because of people like me, who expect the GNU tools by default,
and think it's weird (and ol
* solarg [2009-01-14 09:56]:
> I'm also wondering if it's not valuable to integrate a tool like module
> (http://modules.sourceforge.net/) ?
I think that the HPC community group had some interest in integrating
modules, too.
- Stephen
--
s...@sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/sch/
_
How exactly? by modifying the gnu tools? including some gnu and some
solaris tools where the later do not challenge the familiarity? or
modifying solaris' tools?
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM, wrote:
>> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>> comparing to solaris
> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
> comparing to solaris chmod?
> It's very annoying when using ACLs.
The default environment at the moment is to prefer the GNU tools as
that is the more familiar environment for most developers and
end-users; over time, the plan
> Ghee Teo wrote:
>
>> solarg wrote:
>> > hello all,
>> > i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>> > comparing to solaris chmod?
>> >
>> Check your $PATH, the default path should include /usr/gnu/bin before
>> /usr/bin.
>
> It makes sense the other way round ;-)
>
> G
solarg wrote:
> thanks for all reply. I'm just wondering if it's not possible to mix the
> best of solaris and gnu tools.
> For example, i prefer to use gnu tar, gnu make and gnu patch, because it
> makes easier the process of compiling foss.
GNU patch is the only from your list that is actual
solarg wrote:
> Ghee Teo wrote:
>
>> solarg wrote:
>>
>>> hello all,
>>> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>>> comparing to solaris chmod?
>>>
>>>
>> Check your $PATH, the default path should include /usr/gnu/bin before
>> /usr/bin.
>> You can ch
Ghee Teo wrote:
> solarg wrote:
> > hello all,
> > i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
> > comparing to solaris chmod?
> >
> Check your $PATH, the default path should include /usr/gnu/bin before
> /usr/bin.
It makes sense the other way round ;-)
GNU tools do
Ghee Teo wrote:
>
> solarg wrote:
>> hello all,
>> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>> comparing to solaris chmod?
>>
> Check your $PATH, the default path should include /usr/gnu/bin before
> /usr/bin.
> You can change this to use whichever one you prefer.
>
>> hello all,
>> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>> comparing to solaris chmod?
>> It's very annoying when using ACLs.
>>
I and many others tend to agree. For my side project it will be part of
our policy to not include broken tools. (which is just common
>hello all,
>i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
>comparing to solaris chmod?
>It's very annoying when using ACLs.
No reason; several of the GNU utilities are broken in some way in Solaris;
change your $PATH and remove /usr/gnu/bin.
Casper
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solarg wrote:
> hello all,
> i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
> comparing to solaris chmod?
>
Check your $PATH, the default path should include /usr/gnu/bin before
/usr/bin.
You can change this to use whichever one you prefer.
Let hope this does not start a fl
hello all,
i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages
comparing to solaris chmod?
It's very annoying when using ACLs.
thanks
gerard
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