Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 15:18 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > >> 1) The new-boot architecture brought us into the modern age of booting. > > > > Which was great - but need I be negative, but what took so long? it took > > *that* long for Sun to realise thei

Re: [osol-discuss] [xwin-discuss] MWM as a light-weight environment/window manager

2007-08-08 Thread mahmood ali
Hello Derek, Well since we already got /usr/openwin/bin/twm which is also a light window manager, i be surprised if you got many folks who be interested in mwm. Although, i think mwm look and feel is better than twm. But, in this day and age, they are all obsolete, and the point is to have a li

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > Its just annoying - the low end graphics cards are nothing more than > rebadged ATI stuff which has opensource drivers already - it would be a > matter of rejigging the code to work on sparc. That's what Martin Bochnig did for Martux and we're looking at using his work for

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 15:18 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > >> 1) The new-boot architecture brought us into the modern age of > booting. > > > > Which was great - but need I be negative, but what took so long? it > took > > *that* long for Sun to realise

Re: [osol-discuss] [xwin-discuss] MWM as a light-weight environment/window manager

2007-08-08 Thread Derek E. Lewis
Derek E. Lewis wrote: > I'm curious as to the practicality and possibility of integrating mwm as > a lightweight window manager, and more so, a replacement for dtwm, which > will be removed at some point. Considering the Motif libs will be kept > around for backwards compatibility, mwm seems lik

[osol-discuss] MWM as a light-weight environment/window manager

2007-08-08 Thread Derek E. Lewis
I'm curious as to the practicality and possibility of integrating mwm as a lightweight window manager, and more so, a replacement for dtwm, which will be removed at some point. Considering the Motif libs will be kept around for backwards compatibility, mwm seems like a simple way to provide a l

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Calum Benson wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 04:19 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: > >> I do wonder why we need to have a different GNOME desktop? Well, I know >> why we do it (i.e., JDS), but I'm not sure why we should. It only diverges >> us from the mainstream, and makes things dif

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> 1) The new-boot architecture brought us into the modern age of booting. > > Which was great - but need I be negative, but what took so long? it took > *that* long for Sun to realise their x86 booting royally sucked? This was one of the quicker project

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-08 Thread prakash sangappa
Robert Milkowski wrote: > Hello prakash, > > Thank you for information. I'll check with perf-discuss@ to see if > there're any examples how to use it. > I am trying to make this case public. The case material will have man page documentation on how to use these interfaces. I will provide

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Alan, Wednesday, August 8, 2007, 3:52:31 PM, you wrote: AC> Robert Milkowski wrote: >> Hello prakash, >> >> Thank you for information. I'll check with perf-discuss@ to see if >> there're any examples how to use it. >> >> When it comes to ARC cases - should it be better with all new

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Calum Benson
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:11 -0700, Edward McAuley wrote: > Uh, let's see. Beautiful interface (as attractive as the Mac or Vista), > intuitively laid out, ease of use, UNIX (like), open source...it's already > here. You can download it or buy it. > > Suse 10.2 > > Please look at this latest

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 16:45 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 04:19 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: > > > I do wonder why we need to have a different GNOME desktop? Well, I > know > > why we do it (i.e., JDS), but I'm not sure why we should. It only > diverges > > us from the mainstre

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 12:57 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Matthew Gardiner wrote: > > > Yes, it has changed - but I'm just frustrated at the lack of progress > > outside of the 'basics'. > > The next meeting of SVOSUG will feature a presentation by the Xorg group, > notably Al

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Calum Benson
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 04:19 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: > I do wonder why we need to have a different GNOME desktop? Well, I know > why we do it (i.e., JDS), but I'm not sure why we should. It only diverges > us from the mainstream, and makes things different. Seems better to > leverage the main

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-08 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Robert Milkowski wrote: > Hello prakash, > > Thank you for information. I'll check with perf-discuss@ to see if > there're any examples how to use it. > > When it comes to ARC cases - should it be better with all new ARC cases > would be made public by default, and only if necessary one w

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-08 Thread James Carlson
Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 09:00 -0400, James Carlson wrote: > > No, it's not "stupid." > > > > It's the difference between a source base and a distribution. > > Distributors get to choose what they want to include in their > > distribution from the given source base. It must

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 09:00 -0400, James Carlson wrote: > Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 23:57 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > > > But ultimately what is developed in OpenSolaris will > > > > end up in a payable > > > > product. > > > > > > Not necessarily. Features deemed fit for

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-08 Thread James Carlson
Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 23:57 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > > But ultimately what is developed in OpenSolaris will > > > end up in a payable > > > product. > > > > Not necessarily. Features deemed fit for OpenSolaris might never make > > it into Solaris. There is already cod

Re: [osol-discuss] [driver-discuss] Sound Blaster Live! in ONNV

2007-08-08 Thread Vladimir Kotal
Darren J Moffat wrote: >> Could someone please point me to the project page or provide more info ? > > All I've been able externally that I could find is the ARC one pager: > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/238/ > > I'd suggest contactin Margot Miller - she is listed as

Re: [osol-discuss] [driver-discuss] Sound Blaster Live! in ONNV

2007-08-08 Thread James Carlson
Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 14:29 +0200, Vladimir Kotal wrote: > > Could someone please point me to the project page or provide more info ? > > If the OSS bits (including working SBLive! driver) are going to be > > integrated into Nevada in the foreseeable future then there is

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread S h i v
On 8/8/07, Mark Phalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sigh, Indiana, *the silver bullet* for every issue that is raised !!! > > Thats probably because Indiana is the umbrella for a lot of new > technologies/projects being worked on. > > (I'm confused by the "Sigh"). > Sigh => want to take a br

Re: [osol-discuss] [driver-discuss] Sound Blaster Live! in ONNV

2007-08-08 Thread Darren J Moffat
Vladimir Kotal wrote: > James Carlson wrote: > > > >> The one thing I'd ask about here is whether the project team is aware >> of the OSS integration project (that will likely be obsoleting the old >> SADA bits), and if this project conflicts with or is obsoleted by that >> one. If so, then coo

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Phalan
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 00:34 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: ... > > The way I read it, I would still need to travel to hell and back with > the laundry list of GNU stuff I would need to install along with heaps I don't think thats really the case. Yes, there is some GNU stuff missing but most of it

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 14:30 +0200, Mark Phalan wrote: > On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 00:21 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 14:08 +0200, Mark Phalan wrote: > > > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 23:02 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > > > 2) kde (much more powerful, lightw

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Phalan
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 18:03 +0530, S h i v wrote: > On 8/8/07, Frank Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But that's far from what you want. You're not developing a kernel driver, > > a UN*X utility of a fix/enhancement to libc. You're "simply" requesting > > (some) (Open)Solaris distributions to

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Phalan
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 00:21 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 14:08 +0200, Mark Phalan wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 23:02 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > ... > > > > > > > 2) kde (much more powerful, lightweight and usable than gnome, > > IMO) > > > > > > Someone has bui

Re: [osol-discuss] [driver-discuss] Sound Blaster Live! in ONNV

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 14:29 +0200, Vladimir Kotal wrote: > James Carlson wrote: > > > > > The one thing I'd ask about here is whether the project team is aware > > of the OSS integration project (that will likely be obsoleting the old > > SADA bits), and if this project conflicts with or is obso

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread S h i v
On 8/8/07, Frank Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that's far from what you want. You're not developing a kernel driver, > a UN*X utility of a fix/enhancement to libc. You're "simply" requesting > (some) (Open)Solaris distributions to include additional software. > > Which might have its own

Re: [osol-discuss] [driver-discuss] Sound Blaster Live! in ONNV

2007-08-08 Thread Vladimir Kotal
James Carlson wrote: > The one thing I'd ask about here is whether the project team is aware > of the OSS integration project (that will likely be obsoleting the old > SADA bits), and if this project conflicts with or is obsoleted by that > one. If so, then coordinating with them would be helpf

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Casper . Dik
>Unfortunately there is a unreasonable hatred by those in the Sun/Solaris >camp towards Eclipse by virtue it actually fixes the pig ugly >performance of Java in terms of GUI applications. It doesn't help your argument to spout nonsense like this. >> 2) kde (much more powerful, lightweight and

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 14:08 +0200, Mark Phalan wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 23:02 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > ... > > > > > 2) kde (much more powerful, lightweight and usable than gnome, > IMO) > > > > Someone has built 3.5.7 but unfortunately they seem to live under a > > giant size bolder

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Mark Phalan
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 23:02 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: ... > > > 2) kde (much more powerful, lightweight and usable than gnome, IMO) > > Someone has built 3.5.7 but unfortunately they seem to live under a > giant size bolder - ignoring that x86 is now a viable target. > You're probably refer

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 23:46 +0200, Nico Sabbi wrote: > Alan DuBoff wrote: > > >The next meeting of SVOSUG will feature a presentation by the Xorg group, > >notably Alan Coopersmith, showing the latest Xorg changes and/or what is > >in store, but to also show Compiz. > > > >Your comments got me t

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 12:57 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Matthew Gardiner wrote: > > > Yes, it has changed - but I'm just frustrated at the lack of progress > > outside of the 'basics'. > > The next meeting of SVOSUG will feature a presentation by the Xorg group, > notably Al

[osol-discuss] Opportunities

2007-08-08 Thread David Moore
Hi, I'm looking for some contract work mainly s-o-h-o based but I can do around 10% travel. I have long experience in OS Kernel & Compiler development working for Computer Manufacturers and Silicon Design companies. I can send my resume on request - I can also provide the following references

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-08 Thread S h i v
On 8/8/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to contribute to localisation for New Zealand - include > Maori/English translations - right now it is pretty pathetic, there is > no British English dictionary for Evolution, StarOffice 8 is all setup > incorrectly - given the 'Maori

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Nico Sabbi wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Nico Sabbi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ ... ] This is opensolaris. If you like it, do it! Jörg you explained yourself that doing it is one thing, integrating it in Opensolaris is a totally different thing that only the membe

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 23:51 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > I would contribute but every time I want to actually > > do something I'm > > barraged by a list of bullcrap of 'you need to do > > this, this, this and > > this before even considering contributing' - sorry, > > if contributing is > > made a

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-08 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 23:57 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > But ultimately what is developed in OpenSolaris will > > end up in a payable > > product. > > Not necessarily. Features deemed fit for OpenSolaris might never make > it into Solaris. There is already code out there that is running on > OpenS

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Nico Sabbi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >This is opensolaris. If you like it, do it! > > > > > >Jörg > > > > > > > you explained yourself that doing it is one thing, integrating > it in Opensolaris is a totally different thing that only the members > of some board can decide. Since the ports of

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Nico Sabbi
Joerg Schilling wrote: >Nico Sabbi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>can I suggest considering the following items? >>1) a current, working and maintained port of eclipse >>2) kde (much more powerful, lightweight and usable than gnome, IMO) >>3) the Reply-to header in its lists :-) >>those are

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Nico Sabbi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can I suggest considering the following items? > 1) a current, working and maintained port of eclipse > 2) kde (much more powerful, lightweight and usable than gnome, IMO) > 3) the Reply-to header in its lists :-) > those are all topics that some kind third

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello prakash, Thank you for information. I'll check with perf-discuss@ to see if there're any examples how to use it. When it comes to ARC cases - should it be better with all new ARC cases would be made public by default, and only if necessary one would not be public instead of trying

Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris and linux on same disk

2007-08-08 Thread Patrick Finch
Hi Georg, I believe that adding the Solaris chainloader entry in the Ubuntu Grub won't work. The Grub that ships with Feisty won't allow for this, so you need to acivate the Solaris partition, and add the Ubuntu chainloader entry to Solaris' /boot/grub/menu.lst and boot from there. Happy play

Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris and linux on same disk

2007-08-08 Thread Georg-W. Koltermann
I'm using Ubuntu Feisty (x86_64). I didn't use particular partition tools, just Linux fdisk and Solaris fdisk. FYI the hardware is a Dell M65 laptop. It turned out Solaris seems to reset the MBR and probably installs Grub into its own partition which is nice. Linux distros like to install over