Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> But ultimately what is developed in OpenSolaris will > end up in a payable > product. Not necessarily. Features deemed fit for OpenSolaris might never make it into Solaris. There is already code out there that is running on OpenSolaris that didn't make it into Solaris, and might never make it.

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> I would contribute but every time I want to actually > do something I'm > barraged by a list of bullcrap of 'you need to do > this, this, this and > this before even considering contributing' - sorry, > if contributing is > made as difficult as possible then bugger it. I wouldn't worry about tha

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> No, I think it is wrong to make such an observation. > Sun has open sourced solaris, but it assumes a broad > responsibility over open solaris, it does everything > it can to further the cause of open solaris, Why > would it host open solaris as an integral part of Sun > Tech Days or Java One ? I

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> Excuse me, you're making the assumption that > loud-mouths like me aren't > willing to pay for Solaris - I am willing to pay for > Solaris, but I'm > not willing to pay for a Solaris whose hardware > support is subpar. The > day when Solaris gets up to the bar set my me will be > the day I'll > p

Re: [osol-discuss] Portable UPnP SDK : build success

2007-08-07 Thread homerun
Hi Sun just released '-01" patches to Sun Studio 12 and i did a try. libupnp 1.6.0 sources now build succesfully with Sun Studio 12 too :-) env settings : PATH=/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin CC=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc CPP=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -E CXX=/opt/SU

Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris and linux on same disk

2007-08-07 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Most partition tools aren't smart enough, probably. Also, the old Solaris partition number conflicted with the Linux swap partition number (never mind that the Solaris partition number existed first), which is why current Solaris prefers another non-conflicting number now. This message posted

Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris and linux on same disk

2007-08-07 Thread Gerard Nualla
Hi I have windows, solaris and Linux on one disk.. =) Just wanna ask, what partition tool are you trying to use? And if you won't mind, what linux distro are you trying to install? Gerard This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-dis

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-07 Thread Nico Sabbi
Alan DuBoff wrote: >The next meeting of SVOSUG will feature a presentation by the Xorg group, >notably Alan Coopersmith, showing the latest Xorg changes and/or what is >in store, but to also show Compiz. > >Your comments got me to thinking, and I have really come to the conclusion >that Solaris

[osol-discuss] opensolaris and linux on same disk

2007-08-07 Thread Georg-W. Koltermann
Hi, I am installing OpenSolaris right now on some free space on a disk that contains Linux. Much to my surprise the partition tool warned me that installing on the same disk as Linux was "not supported". Could someone explain? Should I fear it actually does not work, or is it just you don't wan

Re: [osol-discuss] COBOL?

2007-08-07 Thread Gerard Nualla
Great! Thanks a lot! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] COBOL?

2007-08-07 Thread Sean Sprague
> The former is actually from Micro Focus (www.microfocus.com). Cripes! I used to teach Microfocus COBOL (Completely Over and Beyond Obvious Logic (tm)) 25 years ago! If anyone needs a trainer, I could brush up very quickly; given the right resources ;-) Regards... Sean. __

Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.

2007-08-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Matthew Gardiner wrote: > Yes, it has changed - but I'm just frustrated at the lack of progress > outside of the 'basics'. The next meeting of SVOSUG will feature a presentation by the Xorg group, notably Alan Coopersmith, showing the latest Xorg changes and/or what is in s

Re: [osol-discuss] COBOL?

2007-08-07 Thread James Carlson
Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 12:13 -0700, Gerard Nualla wrote: > > Hi, I am wondering if we have COBOL in OpenSolaris (or any Solaris > > distribution). > > Thanks! > > > > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > > ___ > > op

Re: [osol-discuss] COBOL?

2007-08-07 Thread Gueven Bay
> Hi, I am wondering if we have COBOL in OpenSolaris (or any Solaris > distribution). > Thanks! I looked at the software list of Blastwave (blastwave.org) but they don't have Cobol. But if you use pkgsrc (pkgsrc.org) on (Open)Solaris then you will find opencobol and tinycobol in it. Here can

Re: [osol-discuss] COBOL?

2007-08-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
Gerard Nualla wrote: > Hi, I am wondering if we have COBOL in OpenSolaris (or any Solaris > distribution). Are you looking for a COBOL compiler or for source written in the COBOL language as part of the OpenSolaris sources ? BTW you won't find either of those on OpenSolaris.org. Sun used to sh

Re: [osol-discuss] COBOL?

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 12:13 -0700, Gerard Nualla wrote: > Hi, I am wondering if we have COBOL in OpenSolaris (or any Solaris > distribution). > Thanks! > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list IIRC Sun h

[osol-discuss] COBOL?

2007-08-07 Thread Gerard Nualla
Hi, I am wondering if we have COBOL in OpenSolaris (or any Solaris distribution). Thanks! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Akhilesh Mritunjai
I think the problem is solvable, but it'd require lateral thinking. 1. I do not think that OpenSolaris team can solve that in first place. Not because they aren't smart, but because they shouldn't be the guys handling end-user usability issues. Kernel developers are not the guys to hire for that

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread James Carlson
Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > According to: > > http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6586592 > > It apparently has been defered. It looks like it was deferred because it's not necessarily a video class compliant device (meaning "nonstandard") and thus will probably take a fair bit of work

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:21 -0400, James Carlson wrote: > Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > > According to: > > > > http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6586592 > > > > It apparently has been defered. > > It looks like it was deferred because it's not necessarily a video > class compliant devi

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread James Carlson
Kaiwai Gardiner writes: > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 16:27 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That's not what I'm saying; I'm saying that when you bring in money, > > opensolaris.org is not the appropriate venue. > > But ultimately what is developed in OpenSolaris will end up in a payable > product.

Re: [osol-discuss] Compile errors during onnv-gate

2007-08-07 Thread S h i v
On 8/7/07, Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The OpenSolaris CBE is effectively merged by SXDE - except that the recent > builds put the wrong version of Sun Studio in (they have Studio 12, where > the current CBE specifies Studio 11). > > If you mean the JDS CBE, the JDS team is alread

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> > Users might help Open Solaris by giving a feed > back, > > by telling them what they want. That would be > great > > help, and beyond that, if you want users to roll > up > > their sleeves and help out, no, that is not going > to > > happen. That can never happen. Yes, the user wants > it > > a

Re: [osol-discuss] Compile errors during onnv-gate

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 07:56 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 23:48 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> S h i v wrote: > >>> On 8/6/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It does seem puzzling. > The reason is that: > > -

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 16:46 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >If Sun supported my webcam (bug reported), along with my wireless out of > >the box on the current release of Solaris - I would purchase it straight > >away. The webcam is uvc compliant but needs a firmware uploaded (the > >whole inf

Re: [osol-discuss] Compile errors during onnv-gate

2007-08-07 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 23:48 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> S h i v wrote: >>> On 8/6/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It does seem puzzling. The reason is that: - SXDE (and in particular the "developer install" feature) was supp

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Casper . Dik
>If Sun supported my webcam (bug reported), along with my wireless out of >the box on the current release of Solaris - I would purchase it straight >away. The webcam is uvc compliant but needs a firmware uploaded (the >whole information is linked on bugster) and my wireless is supported in >SXCE

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 16:27 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Excuse me, you're making the assumption that loud-mouths like me aren't > >willing to pay for Solaris - I am willing to pay for Solaris, but I'm > >not willing to pay for a Solaris whose hardware support is subpar. The > >day when So

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Casper . Dik
>Excuse me, you're making the assumption that loud-mouths like me aren't >willing to pay for Solaris - I am willing to pay for Solaris, but I'm >not willing to pay for a Solaris whose hardware support is subpar. The >day when Solaris gets up to the bar set my me will be the day I'll >purchase Sol

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-07 Thread James Carlson
Milan Jurik writes: > You have good opportunity to discuss the most of features in psarc > process before integration. And in many cases even in stages like "one > page". But it is project team decision if they want to work on their > project in private group or not. Like in the rest of world. And

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:52 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Sometimes I wonder if any of them have ever worked in the service > >industry before becoming a programmer - some of the need to realise that > >'the customer pays your wage' - because they for some reason can't see > >the connection

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 06:17 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > Users might help Open Solaris by giving a feed back, > > by telling them what they want. That would be great > > help, and beyond that, if you want users to roll up > > their sleeves and help out, no, that is not going to > > happen. That can

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
> The problem is that this particular topic has been chewed over and > over, and it basically comes down to users or would-be users of > OpenSolaris *demanding* OpenSolaris deliver this, that or the other. > > And there also seems to be a tendency that those who are the most > vocal in this partic

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:35 +0200, Milan Jurik wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > V út, 07. 08. 2007 v 14:40, Kaiwai Gardiner píše: > > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 08:25 +0200, Milan Jurik wrote: > > > > > > But this happend, the responsible engineer took related RFE and you > > > could see that on bugs.opens

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-07 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Joerg, V út, 07. 08. 2007 v 15:03, Joerg Schilling píše: > Milan Jurik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Did you look at RFEs? Did you look at PSARCs? Did you look at projects > > > > on opensolaris.org? And can you show me some really big project where > > > > all developers are informing

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-07 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Matthew, V út, 07. 08. 2007 v 14:40, Kaiwai Gardiner píše: > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 08:25 +0200, Milan Jurik wrote: > > > > But this happend, the responsible engineer took related RFE and you > > could see that on bugs.opensolaris.org. I agree with one thing - bugster > > is very good tool, but

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> Why would you give up? In this task of defining what > needs to be done, it is contrary views that are > important, it is differences that are important... We could be discussing this 'till we're all blue in the face, but that won't get us anywhere. Code talks. Graphics talk. Audio talks. Docu

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> Users might help Open Solaris by giving a feed back, > by telling them what they want. That would be great > help, and beyond that, if you want users to roll up > their sleeves and help out, no, that is not going to > happen. That can never happen. Yes, the user wants it > all delivered on a sliv

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Milan Jurik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Did you look at RFEs? Did you look at PSARCs? Did you look at projects > > > on opensolaris.org? And can you show me some really big project where > > > all developers are informing community about their actual work and > > > future plans? > > > > Umm,

Re: [osol-discuss] DL385 hangs after 90 minutes with B66

2007-08-07 Thread Gavin Maltby
On 08/07/07 11:15, Chris Linton-Ford wrote: There doesn't appear to sufficiently many knobs to tweak on the G1 version of this hardware to force scrubbing on or off, alas. I'll run it with the advised /etc/system setting as this seems to work fine. Incidentally, this system needed a mainboard r

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Casper . Dik
>Sometimes I wonder if any of them have ever worked in the service >industry before becoming a programmer - some of the need to realise that >'the customer pays your wage' - because they for some reason can't see >the connection between the customer and how they get paid. But that is *completel

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Casper . Dik
>On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:58 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: >> > Open Solaris developers have to do a lot of complex >> > work in order to give the user a compuer that is >> > plain, easy and utterly simple. >> >> And what about users rolling up their sleeves and helping out? >> Or is everything just t

Re: [osol-discuss] DL385 hangs after 90 minutes with B66

2007-08-07 Thread James Carlson
Chris Linton-Ford writes: > "Enable Node Interleaving": initially disabled, when turned on the > operating system booted, but I got the following error message: > "MPO disabled because memory is interleaved" You definitely don't want "Node Interleaving." As a BIOS option, it wins a special award

Re: [osol-discuss] File Events Notification API - PSARC/2007/027

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 08:25 +0200, Milan Jurik wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > Kaiwai Gardiner píše v út 07. 08. 2007 v 15:36 +1200: > > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 20:09 +0200, Milan Jurik wrote: > > > Hi Matthew, > > > > > > I know I'm not right man who should answer you, as I'm from Sun... But > > > loo

Re: [osol-discuss] kernel limit on Solaris 10 platform

2007-08-07 Thread James Carlson
Stanley Kee Wei Kuang writes: > Hi All, > What is kernel limit? Is it true that the value is 90MBPS? And if so, is this > a global/overall limit or a port limit? Please Help It's unclear what you're asking, but I *think* you're asking about some sort of bytes-per-second limit. If so, then there

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 04:43 -0700, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote: > > > Open Solaris developers have to do a lot of > > complex > > > work in order to give the user a compuer that is > > > plain, easy and utterly simple. > > > > And what about users rolling up their sleeves and > > helping out?

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:58 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > > Open Solaris developers have to do a lot of complex > > work in order to give the user a compuer that is > > plain, easy and utterly simple. > > And what about users rolling up their sleeves and helping out? > Or is everything just to be del

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> > Open Solaris developers have to do a lot of > complex > > work in order to give the user a compuer that is > > plain, easy and utterly simple. > > And what about users rolling up their sleeves and > helping out? > Or is everything just to be delivered on a silver > platter? Users might help O

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> > I think it'd be perfectly reasonable to have the option to use Solaris > > without having to learn the details. > > By the way, I agree with you. Where we (perhaps) disagree is the means to get > to the point of using > Solaris without having to learn the details. > > And on further thought,

Re: [osol-discuss] Compile errors during onnv-gate

2007-08-07 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 23:48 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > S h i v wrote: > > On 8/6/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It does seem puzzling. > >> The reason is that: > >> > >> - SXDE (and in particular the "developer install" feature) was > >> supposed to be aimed at develo

Re: [osol-discuss] DL385 hangs after 90 minutes with B66

2007-08-07 Thread Chris Linton-Ford
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 14:00 +0100, Gavin Maltby wrote: > Could you try one more experiment, please. Leave the Solaris > /etc/system setting below to stop us enabling the scrubber, > but look for the BIOS option (if any) to enable dram scrubbing. > Note what it is set to before changing it, and th

[osol-discuss] kernel limit on Solaris 10 platform

2007-08-07 Thread Stanley Kee Wei Kuang
Hi All, What is kernel limit? Is it true that the value is 90MBPS? And if so, is this a global/overall limit or a port limit? Please Help Rgds Stanley This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> I think it'd be perfectly reasonable to have the > option to use Solaris > without having to learn the details. By the way, I agree with you. Where we (perhaps) disagree is the means to get to the point of using Solaris without having to learn the details. And on further thought, I think I'll

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> Open Solaris developers have to do a lot of complex > work in order to give the user a compuer that is > plain, easy and utterly simple. And what about users rolling up their sleeves and helping out? Or is everything just to be delivered on a silver platter? This message posted from opensola

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> Agree wholeheartedly. Why should an user have to > learn Unix in order to > use a Word Processor. Maybe that person is writing > a novel and wants to > concentrate on the characters, plot, storyline > rather than fumbling > ith ls >flags. That's already available in OpenSolaris today, so

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread UNIX admin
> Amazingly so, yes. The user had an application that > was itself > completely valid -- treating the operating system as > a mere appliance > in service of some larger job. What amazes me is that a such a simple, honest question can be so offensive. It certainly had no such motive. But whatever

Re: [osol-discuss] Build 69, 3rd CD is faulty?

2007-08-07 Thread Ché Kristo
Great!!! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris "thinks" that my standalone desktop is a huge network....

2007-08-07 Thread Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> James Carlson wrote: > > UNIX admin writes: > > > Do you even care to understand? > > >>> I don't think it's helpful at all to chase away > >>> people who want to use > >>> an OpenSolaris-based distribution in an > unexpected or > >>> novel way. We > >>> actually do _want_