> >The people with the talent to do the advanced stuff
> will do it anyway.
>
> We keep this charade up, there won't be any left.
> Everybody will be turned
> into consumers - plants.
>
> Apparently encouraging people NOT to use their
> brains so that they could
> concentrate on the "abstract"
--- Stephen Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote:
> > Hands up those who will put their stuff on Google
> > Apps. Nobody? Aw.
>
> I put a bunch of stuff on Google Apps because it's
> main point is
> collaboration/sharing. It makes it considerably
> easier to
> co
--- a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hahaha. So you want to tell me that people will use
> >fancy 3D desktops over a X network connection? 3D
> >Pinball over Remote Desktop is just about
> >playable...over X? Not a chance.
>
> Like I wrote before... in the country where I'm at,
> people would r
Alan DuBoff wrote:
I found it very odd and have said so repeatedly before. This was
brought
up when the previous OGB had to step in and name Garrett D'Amore,
Masayuki Murayama, and Juergen Keil as core contributors because the
Device Drivers
community had failed to do so:
http://www.openso
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
I don't see them here though...
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=79
They were sent to just the community leaders, not to the mailing lists of
each community.
So, I would have to agree that if you sent out messages to the doz
On 25/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:43:14PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On 25/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 11:55:55PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > > On 20/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 04:10 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have yet to see any GUI that really does the above, although otherwise
>>>hideous AIX's rather nice "smit" tries hard.
>>>
>>>
>>One reaso
Lori Alt wrote:
> Horvath wrote:
>
>> in case you did not recieve my respond. Yes you're right I need zfs
>> boot support. I don't wanna mess with add on thing.
>>
>>
>
> To clarify, the support for zfs boot DID go into build 62 (it's official,
> no add-on needed), but the standard install co
> Jerry Gardner wrote:
> > I installed Firefox using Blastwave ("pkg-get -i
> firefox") and it broke the Java Desktop System.
> >
> > When I try to log in now, I get the initial JDS
> splash screen for a few seconds, and then it goes
> immediately back to the login screen. CDE works fine.
> >
> >
> As many here are aware, don't underestimate the
> importance of the desktop OS; it will ultimately
> determine what OS gets to be used in the servers.
Sorry for the typo. Several years ago, we had a party at our house, one of our
guests, a sysadm at one of the largest banks in Hawaii told me t
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:43:14PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On 25/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 11:55:55PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > > On 20/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:13:16PM -0500, Shawn W
I failed to mention that we have ported OXIM to SuSE. It, however, was a very
different story when we tried to port it to Solaris. Of course, our
unfamiliarity with how the later is structured is the main deterring factor.
We think OXIM is the best input method for both simplified and traditio
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Stephen Hahn sent repeated mails to each community over a 6 month+
period.
Really, I don't remember seeing them, I wonder if they were sent to
device-driver-interest or where? I'll look back and see if I missed
those, but don't
Horvath wrote:
in case you did not recieve my respond. Yes you're right I need zfs boot
support. I don't wanna mess with add on thing.
To clarify, the support for zfs boot DID go into build 62 (it's official,
no add-on needed), but the standard install code doesn't support
it yet. So the
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Stephen Hahn sent repeated mails to each community over a 6 month+ period.
Really, I don't remember seeing them, I wonder if they were sent to
device-driver-interest or where? I'll look back and see if I missed those,
but don't remember any, this
"a b" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you want VMware to run on Solaris, then you have to lobby VMware. Why
> should Sun have to "come through" with software written by some thrid party
> corporation, and a corporation which obviously does not see any value in
> porting their software to Solari
On 25/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 11:55:55PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On 20/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:13:16PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > > On 19/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote:
Hands up those who will put their stuff on Google
Apps. Nobody? Aw.
I put a bunch of stuff on Google Apps because it's main point is
collaboration/sharing. It makes it considerably easier to
collaboratively edit a spreadsheet or document than anything else.
Hahaha. So you want to tell me that people will use
fancy 3D desktops over a X network connection? 3D
Pinball over Remote Desktop is just about
playable...over X? Not a chance.
Like I wrote before... in the country where I'm at, people would rather use
a game console than a PC to play games, pu
Oh sure, all the resources invested in GNOME, KDE,
will be replaced by XBOX-3600 running crap from M$.
NOT!
Here is something to consider: when PlayStation 3 came out, a Linux kit was
also available, allowing one to turn a gaming console into a workstation and
switch back and forth between the
I'm sorry, at the moment Sun just doesn't have the software tools I need.
(I work for a big corp. )
And what do you need?
I have made a vow that when VMWare workstation comes out for Solaris, I
will start running a Solaris desktop. (I have held of switching to a Linux
desktop in the hopes tha
Why relegate Solaris to a niche?
Not relegating Solaris to a niche. I just see that the desktop's days are
numbered, but the general consumer obviously isn't ready for a mindset
shift. Hauling floppies around, anyone?
When the shift does happen, and it already did start taking place, Solaris
Dindling exponentially? Where are they all going? Perhaps systems are
getting
harder to use so professionals are lkess productive and we nee more ofthem?
That's a good question. Those few that are left refuse to be employed
permanently and usually work as consultants for large corporations her
> I have immediate access to the hardware - if needed.
???
What do you like to tell us here?
Do you like to tell me that I should buy a drive and give it to others?
This sounds silly.
I think that he's either trying to tell you that he'll test the software for
you, perhaps even give you acces
> Why would that be obvious? I've compiled binaries on Nevada and ran them
on Solaris 10 without a hitch, so no, it is not obvious.
The fact that is "sometimes works" is not granting you that it will
always work.
Agreed, but I've never claimed this. All I've tried to illustrate is that it
is
> It doesn't get any simpler than that.
Just to make it more obvious, jet me answer again in order to
demonstrate that you may omit the dev= parameter to cdrecord:
cdrecord -inq
Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01.01a26 (i386-pc-solaris2.11) Copyright (C)
1995-2006
Jörg Schilling
Warning: Using USCSI i
I did research about 5 years ago regarding HSM file systems. QFS/SAMFS was a
leading contender in that space. It also had the added benefit of having a
truly massive ability to scale. (We ended up going with another product,
because our first choice of optical jukeboxes was not supported.)
This
Joerg Schilling wrote:
James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, as there have been other things that have been "forgotten"
in this area, I now point people to potential conflicts as early as possible ;-)
Once the methods for aproving projects and architectural reviews are known
to work w
James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, as there have been other things that have been "forgotten"
> > in this area, I now point people to potential conflicts as early as
> > possible ;-)
> >
> > Once the methods for aproving projects and architectural reviews are known
> > to work wi
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Except that the Device Driver community is defunct, having no
contributors
nor core contributors able to participate in community decision
making, and
as noted, it's really a better fit for Storage or the proposed File
Systems
c
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 17:39 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One reason for that is that GUIs don't necessarily map 1-to-1 onto CLI
> > commands, or vice versa. CLIs tend to be modal and procedural, a good
> > GUI is often the opposite. Indeed, most of
Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 04:10 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
>
> > I have yet to see any GUI that really does the above, although otherwise
> > hideous AIX's rather nice "smit" tries hard.
>
> One reason for that is that GUIs don't necessarily map 1-to-1
Joerg Schilling writes:
> James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Joerg Schilling writes:
> > > - Which programs from SAM FS have name clashes?
> > >
> > > - What do you intend to do in order to solve the problem
> >
> > I'm confused. Are we discussing whether the proposal to create a
> >
James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joerg Schilling writes:
> > - Which programs from SAM FS have name clashes?
> >
> > - What do you intend to do in order to solve the problem
>
> I'm confused. Are we discussing whether the proposal to create a
> project for SAM-QFS is an appropriate
Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or move your star tool, which is frankly not nearly as important and
> useful a tool, perhaps.
I would encourage you to inform yourself about star. It will be your favorite
"tar" program after you discovered all the features ;-)
ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/s
Frank Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> commands existed then, probably since 94 or 95. They are included in
> >> /opt/SUNWsamfs/sbin and bin.
> >> Ted
> >
> > Thank you for the information!
> >
> > This means that a normal Solaris user will not be confused but a user that
> > did install /o
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Ted Pogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joerg,
The SAM commands came out of former LSC, inc. I can't comment on
what was considered
in the naming of them. I have been with the product in one form or
another since 1998 and these SAM
commands existed
Ted Pogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joerg,
> The SAM commands came out of former LSC, inc. I can't comment on
> what was considered
> in the naming of them. I have been with the product in one form or
> another since 1998 and these SAM
> commands existed then, probably since 94 or 95. The
> Can anyone give a make and model of a Blue Ray drive?
> Admittedly, I
> don't
> know much about any of that new stuff.
>
> Joerg, I'll buy you one and send it your way so that
> you can work on
> it, if
> I can find one to buy.
> ->
>
> If you are looking for Son
> Project Description:
...
> The QFS shared file system is a high-performance,
> 64-bit Solaris file
> system. This file system ensures that data is
> available at device-rated
> speeds when requested by one or more users. The QFS
> shared file system
> supports from 1 to 128 compute n
> > But if all you wanted to do is just "get stuff out
> of
> > your computer", then why are you here? Why
> Solaris?
> > Somebody with that kind of mentality can be
> perfectly
> > happy on Windows. If you don't care about how it
> all
> > works, you don't need the most advanced operating
> > syst
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 04:10 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> I have yet to see any GUI that really does the above, although otherwise
> hideous AIX's rather nice "smit" tries hard.
One reason for that is that GUIs don't necessarily map 1-to-1 onto CLI
commands, or vice versa. CLIs tend to be
I did research about 5 years ago regarding HSM file systems. QFS/SAMFS was a
leading contender in that space. It also had the added benefit of having a
truly massive ability to scale. (We ended up going with another product,
because our first choice of optical jukeboxes was not supported.)
This i
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 02:57:09PM -0500, Ted Pogue wrote:
>
> Project Overview:
>
> I propose the creation of a project on opensolaris.org, to bring to the
> community Solaris host-based data services; namely the Storage Archive
> Manager or SAM and the Solaris shared file system QF
Joerg Schilling writes:
> - Which programs from SAM FS have name clashes?
>
> - What do you intend to do in order to solve the problem
I'm confused. Are we discussing whether the proposal to create a
project for SAM-QFS is an appropriate and well-defined OpenSolaris
project, or are we do
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:01:08PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Tom Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > While doing this is a really good idea, I see potential name conflicts
> > > with older softare.
> > >
> > > Since 20..25 years, I create and publish programs like:
> > >
> > > smak
Joerg,
The SAM commands came out of former LSC, inc. I can't comment on
what was considered
in the naming of them. I have been with the product in one form or
another since 1998 and these SAM
commands existed then, probably since 94 or 95. They are included in
/opt/SUNWsamfs/sbin and bin.
For some tasks, GUIs can be useful. Maybe even for most tasks, _if_
they can serve at least three levels of users (novice, intermediate, expert)
equally well, can (as AIX's "smit") optionally show command-line equivalents,
can log sessions (to do postmortem on how the user screwed up), and can
cap
Hi,
In the rtld code, the dldump call causes the ld.so.1's dependency librtld.so to
be loaded. This is done via elf_rtld_load() function call just before
rt_dldump() invocation.
The function elf_rtld_load() loads and binds all the needed objects of ld.so.1
and relocates the .got entries of l
Tom Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > While doing this is a really good idea, I see potential name conflicts
> > with older softare.
> >
> > Since 20..25 years, I create and publish programs like:
> >
> > smake, star, sformat, sfind (a bit newer),
> >
> > and I recently got some infor
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 11:55:55PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On 20/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 06:13:16PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > > On 19/04/07, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > True, and I don't have a problem with that. Howe
--- a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Oh sure, all the resources invested in GNOME, KDE,
> >will be replaced by XBOX-3600 running crap from M$.
> >NOT!
>
> Here is something to consider: when PlayStation 3
> came out, a Linux kit was
> also available, allowing one to turn a gaming
> console int
--- a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Why relegate Solaris to a niche?
>
> Not relegating Solaris to a niche. I just see that
> the desktop's days are
> numbered, but the general consumer obviously isn't
> ready for a mindset
> shift. Hauling floppies around, anyone?
Hmm, my desktop does not
ramprakash wrote:
Hi all,
i am new to Open Solaris. I have nevada build 57 installed in my machine.
1. Would like to build upgrade to nevada build 62.
2. Would like to build opensolaris on nevada build 62.
Could you guies let know where to start with. No clue as such that i m new to
thi
Hi all,
i am new to Open Solaris. I have nevada build 57 installed in my machine.
1. Would like to build upgrade to nevada build 62.
2. Would like to build opensolaris on nevada build 62.
Could you guies let know where to start with. No clue as such that i m new to
this environment. :)
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