Re: [osol-discuss] Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/04/07, Richard Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm new to Solaris 10. Downloaded and installed fine. Login screen accepts my user name but password box will not accept anything from keyboard, like I wasn't typing. Just a blinking cursor. Well, thats as far as I've progressed with Sola

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Jerry Sutton
Gee, I hate to see you form such an opinion on the limited contact you have so far. If I understand your original post, I believe you are using Solaris 10, probably the free 11/06 media kit, rather than OpenSolaris. So that's a teensy bit off topic for this OpenSolaris group but not far enoug

Re: [osol-discuss] simple Raid-Z question

2007-04-06 Thread Javier O. Augusto
Peter wrote: > Hello, > > I have been reading alot of good things about Raid-z, but before I jump into > it I have one unanswered question i can't find a clear answer for. > > Is it possible to enlarge the initial RAID size by adding single drives later > on? That's what Raid-z is all about. Goog

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you tried the Linux branded zones? You can run > unmodified Linux > binaries on Solaris. What is the point of Solaris if it is only to run Linux binaries? Exactly, and what is the point of Solaris if it is only to make

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/04/07, MC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Ian Murdock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > isn't true at all, but many potential users will > never get past > > "When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done > that since 1995!" > > This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did > publi

Re: [osol-discuss] was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The functionality of apt to perform a dist-upgrade > (Chung, is that what you're > talking about?) is nothing of the sorts where > Solaris allows you to perform > an upgrade to a seperate partition/slice and move > your configu

[osol-discuss] simple Raid-Z question

2007-04-06 Thread Peter
Hello, I have been reading alot of good things about Raid-z, but before I jump into it I have one unanswered question i can't find a clear answer for. Is it possible to enlarge the initial RAID size by adding single drives later on? If i start off with 4*500gb (should give me 1.5tb), can I add

Re: [osol-discuss] Best option for upgrading a liveupgrade environment?

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 05/04/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 05/04/07, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't actually tried this second style in quite a while but it did > work for me in the past and I believe it should work just fine. Will do later tonight. Just to confirm: it wor

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Haik Aftandilian
Richard Raymond wrote: Install went well, still cannot log in with my user and password. I guess I'll try learning Linux. Thanks for your effort in suggesting the return button. Maybe I expected to much for something that is "free". Is your password greater than eight characters? I believe that

Re: [osol-discuss] was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
> The functionality of apt to perform a dist-upgrade > (Chung, is that what you're > talking about?) is nothing of the sorts where > Solaris allows you to perform > an upgrade to a seperate partition/slice and move > your configuration and/or > changes to the new boot envirionment. Yes, well, a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
> Personally, the differences in user facing packages > isn't a major issue > to me. There are some options missing that I > normally use in grep and > tail, but overall I can work around them. The > biggest issue in a gnu > userland for me is the gnu toolchain. Time after > time, I've tried to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
> Have you tried the Linux branded zones? You can run > unmodified Linux > binaries on Solaris. What is the point of Solaris if it is only to run Linux binaries? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ opensolar

[osol-discuss] Re: Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Richard Raymond
Install went well, still cannot log in with my user and password. I guess I'll try learning Linux. Thanks for your effort in suggesting the return button. Maybe I expected to much for something that is "free". Goodbye This message posted from opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Richard Raymond
I am reinstalling once more. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Richard Raymond
> Richard Raymond wrote: > > I'm new to Solaris 10. Downloaded and installed > fine. Login screen accepts my user name but password > box will not accept anything from keyboard, like I > wasn't typing. Just a blinking cursor. Well, thats as > far as I've progressed with Solaris in 3 days and 2 > re

Re: [osol-discuss] Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Richard Raymond wrote: I'm new to Solaris 10. Downloaded and installed fine. Login screen accepts my user name but password box will not accept anything from keyboard, like I wasn't typing. Just a blinking cursor. Well, thats as far as I've progressed with Solaris in 3 days and 2 reinstalls. I

[osol-discuss] Re: Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Richard Raymond
3.2 P4 1 and 1/2 gb ddr 400 shuttle board. fairly new everything on this one. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Fresh Install Problems

2007-04-06 Thread Richard Raymond
I'm new to Solaris 10. Downloaded and installed fine. Login screen accepts my user name but password box will not accept anything from keyboard, like I wasn't typing. Just a blinking cursor. Well, thats as far as I've progressed with Solaris in 3 days and 2 reinstalls. I am just trying to learn

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
MC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Ian Murdock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > isn't true at all, but many potential users will > > never get past > > > "When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done > > that since 1995!" > > > > This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did > >

Re: [osol-discuss] was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread Jerry Sutton
Alan DuBoff wrote: On Thursday 05 April 2007 07:23 pm, Shawn Walker wrote: I've had many a "live upgrade" go awry over the years with Linux distributions. I'd be more impressed with a reliable upgrade system, even if it requires a reboot with media or special boot mode that is apt ain't perf

Re: [osol-discuss] Best option for upgrading a liveupgrade environment?

2007-04-06 Thread Ian Campbell
On 4/5/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 05/04/07, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However you shouldn't need to luactivate to switch between them anyway > just select them from the GRUB menu (or if this is sparc use devaliases > entries for each slice) No, x86. I was

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Thomas Rampelberg
MC wrote: "Ian Murdock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: isn't true at all, but many potential users will never get past "When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done that since 1995!" This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did publish Schillix, the first Op

[osol-discuss] Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread MC
> "Ian Murdock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > isn't true at all, but many potential users will > never get past > > "When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done > that since 1995!" > > This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did > publish Schillix, > the first OpenSolaris based

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Thomas Rampelberg
Manoj Joseph wrote: Thomas Rampelberg wrote: userland for me is the gnu toolchain. Time after time, I've tried to run a normal linux app on solaris and hit a major wall, having to change a makefile, code itself normally, it's such a pain that I give up and go back to linux where it was w

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Manoj Joseph
Thomas Rampelberg wrote: userland for me is the gnu toolchain. Time after time, I've tried to run a normal linux app on solaris and hit a major wall, having to change a makefile, code itself normally, it's such a pain that I give up and go back to linux where it was working in the beginni

Re: [osol-discuss] joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Ian Murdock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > isn't true at all, but many potential users will never get past > "When I hit backspace, I get ^H--Linux hasn't done that since 1995!" This kind of nonsense was what I did see after I did publish Schillix, the first OpenSolaris based distro. These people

Re: [osol-discuss] xpg/bin/tr unexpect output on Sparc?

2007-04-06 Thread Bart Smaalders
Shawn Walker wrote: On 06/04/07, I. Szczesniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/3/07, Steven Xie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is this mean We should use Solaris original utilities under > /usr/bin > instead of posix ones under /usr/xpg/bin. > It's really surprising. Well, we can live with it. We

Re: [osol-discuss] was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread Thomas Rampelberg
I think you make a valid point about about tracking Debian unstable, or from my experience with Gentoo, just going along with the latest portage tree and evolving the system. Having a set package version to a set OS version is very comforting in the enterprise. It enables me to point at a syste

Re: [osol-discuss] xpg/bin/tr unexpect output on Sparc?

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/04/07, I. Szczesniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/3/07, Steven Xie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is this mean We should use Solaris original utilities under > /usr/bin > instead of posix ones under /usr/xpg/bin. > It's really surprising. Well, we can live with it. We can barely live with

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Thomas Rampelberg
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote: Its a question of preference. Solaris is a far superior OS in the kernel etc. Userland it just isn't. Nexenta is a really nice bridge between the two. Frankly, if you need to get hot around the collar about this issue its alright. What is so great about g

Re: [osol-discuss] joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 05/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The ONLY Linux distribution where you can do a > live > > upgrade is Debian. > > You missed "Gentoo"! okay okay. Live upgrade sans compiling :P Gentoo has binary packages available too, so... -- "Less is only more where

Re: [osol-discuss] joining Sun

2007-04-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 05/04/07, Chung Hang Christopher Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've had many a "live upgrade" go awry over the > years with Linux > distributions. I'd be more impressed with a reliable > upgrade system, > even if it requires a reboot with media or special > boot mode that is > faster than

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread James Carlson
Richard L. Hamilton writes: > While there's no reason one can't have multiple versions of a library > (with a single-part version number only incremented for ABI changes, please), > they aren't free even if disk space almost is. They cost maintenance, and > memory too (if multiple versions are in

Re: [osol-discuss] xpg/bin/tr unexpect output on Sparc?

2007-04-06 Thread I. Szczesniak
On 4/3/07, Steven Xie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is this mean We should use Solaris original utilities under /usr/bin instead of posix ones under /usr/xpg/bin. It's really surprising. Well, we can live with it. We can barely live with it. Solaris is a very delicate platform when you try to rely

Re: [osol-discuss] xpg/bin/tr unexpect output on Sparc?

2007-04-06 Thread I. Szczesniak
On 4/3/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steven Xie writes: > Is this mean We should use Solaris original utilities under > /usr/bin > instead of posix ones under /usr/xpg/bin. > It's really surprising. Well, we can live with it. I wouldn't say that. It comes down to engineering and

[osol-discuss] Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
While there's no reason one can't have multiple versions of a library (with a single-part version number only incremented for ABI changes, please), they aren't free even if disk space almost is. They cost maintenance, and memory too (if multiple versions are in use at the same time). Sometimes th

[osol-discuss] Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread MC
> apt ain't perfect, and I'm not sure any solution will > be perfect, but we can > probably do something better than apt. apt is pretty > old already. opensolaris > has the advantage that apt is already around. Would > be good to borrow the > good from it and have our own. And I don't mean > bor

Re: [osol-discuss] was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-06 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thursday 05 April 2007 07:23 pm, Shawn Walker wrote: > I've had many a "live upgrade" go awry over the years with Linux > distributions. I'd be more impressed with a reliable upgrade system, > even if it requires a reboot with media or special boot mode that is > faster than the current process.