Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Joshua Clulow
May as well build your own packages that will install non-interactively and make them available in your jumpstart installation NFS shares and profiles. Finish scripts are good too. =) Allen Wittenauer wrote: The lack of integration into jumpstart is also a bit of a pain, even if someone

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Allen Wittenauer
> one quick addendum: mod_php is available via the > companion CD, fwiw. The last time I looked at the companion CD, it also suffered from ancient-version-itis as well as bad compile options for certain applications. The lack of integration into jumpstart is also a bit of a pain, even if someone

[osol-discuss] Re: upgrading from solaris 8 to 10

2006-09-04 Thread Kevin
I have been trying to do this as well but do not get the upgrade option when installing Solaris 10 aver Solaris 8. Anybody understand why? brick This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@openso

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Roberto J. Dohnert
Danese Cooper has always struck me a GPL biased individual. If its not GPL its not good enough. Shawn Walker wrote: > cdrtools forked by Debian Project, claims that build system is incompatible, > Joerg is wrong, they know better, and that Danese Cooper claims that the CDDL > was purposefully

Re: [osol-discuss] use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > > Hi,At the company I work in, we use apache, openssh and > openssl on (commercial) Solaris. You can : (1) build it yourself (2) use what is available in the Solaris 10 Update 2 wos (3) Check out SunFreeware (4) Check out Blastwave http://www.blastwave.org/packages.php/opens

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Stephen Lau wrote On 09/05/06 10:58,: How about we all just ignore Danese. Ignore Debian. Ignore whatever posturing is going on about whatever license on whatever forum/list, and just get back to working on OpenSolaris. The best way to get people to shut up is to demonstrate it by code, not b

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Stephen Lau
How about we all just ignore Danese. Ignore Debian. Ignore whatever posturing is going on about whatever license on whatever forum/list, and just get back to working on OpenSolaris. The best way to get people to shut up is to demonstrate it by code, not by flames. cheers, steve (note: this is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Stephen Lau
one quick addendum: mod_php is available via the companion CD, fwiw. -steve On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 08:25:29AM -0700, Allen Wittenauer wrote: > > The main concern I have is whether Solaris will provide > > the patches as soon as any vulnerabilities come out, especially for > > Apache? > > While

[osol-discuss] What to install?

2006-09-04 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Later this week I'm getting a new box to build a home fileserver on. The box is on order, and will have (initially) 6 SATA controller ports and 8 hot-swap locations (they came in units of 4, and 4 wasn't enough; eventually I'll no doubt add an additional controller to bring the last two into use).

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Derek E. Lewis
I may need to re-watch the Debconf video again, but I don't recall Simon or Danese clarrifying her current employment status at Sun, so I can see why anyone who watched the video and possibly those in attendance to the conference would think that Danese was still an employee of Sun, and thus co

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a powerhouse in the open source world. His software has been around a > very long time and if the Debian people have an issue with the CDDL then > I wonder if its the CDDL or rather Jörg that annoys them? Emotions at > the table again perhaps. The ag

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > On Sep 4, 2006, at 19:54, Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> >> It would be a critical mistake to underestimate her knowledge on >> the CDDL issues. > > Nonetheless she is wrong to characterise the opinion of the Solaris > engineering team in the way she does. She is speaking this way > because she los

[osol-discuss] Re: Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Alan Burlison
I really don't understand why we are all supposed to care so much about what Debian do, or what Danese Cooper said. Debian have their own licensing culture, and it's only right and proper that they decide what fits in with their world view. As others have already pointed out this isn't a purel

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 4, 2006, at 22:13, James C. McPherson wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 19:54, Dennis Clarke wrote: It would be a critical mistake to underestimate her knowledge on the CDDL issues. Nonetheless she is wrong to characterise the opinion of the Solaris engineering team i

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread James C. McPherson
Simon Phipps wrote: On Sep 4, 2006, at 19:54, Dennis Clarke wrote: It would be a critical mistake to underestimate her knowledge on the CDDL issues. Nonetheless she is wrong to characterise the opinion of the Solaris engineering team in the way she does. She is speaking this way because s

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 4, 2006, at 19:54, Dennis Clarke wrote: It would be a critical mistake to underestimate her knowledge on the CDDL issues. Nonetheless she is wrong to characterise the opinion of the Solaris engineering team in the way she does. She is speaking this way because she lost an argum

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Derek E. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > Could _you_ please stop your primitive FUD here? > > Absolutely, but that would require you stop mis-representing the nature of > the CDDL, the GPL, and the certain conditions you've created that surrou

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Derek E. Lewis
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, Joerg Schilling wrote: Could _you_ please stop your primitive FUD here? Absolutely, but that would require you stop mis-representing the nature of the CDDL, the GPL, and the certain conditions you've created that surround cdrecord. Everyone who reads e.g. http://www.he

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread David J. Orman
> Joerg has given the mailing list the impression that there is an on- > going > war against the CDDL by Debian, and certain Sun employees are > willing to > change various OpenSolaris-related informational materials (such as > the > CDDL FAQ) to respond to it. The fact that Debian is anti-CDD

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Derek E. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clarrification: "Joerg added conditions to cdrecord that forbids a user to > change certain lines in the code and then distribute it" Calrification: this is well known FUD and incorrect. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-133

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Derek E. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is a big campaign against the CDDL, OpenSolaris and me. > > s/the CDDL, OpenSolaris and // > > Would you please stop mis-representing the issue to this mailing list, > which includes various people who are unassociated with Sun, but > also Su

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Derek E. Lewis
Joerg has given the mailing list the impression that there is an on-going war against the CDDL by Debian, and certain Sun employees are willing to change various OpenSolaris-related informational materials (such as the CDDL FAQ) to respond to it. The fact that Debian is anti-CDDL is blatantly f

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread David J. Orman
I can't speak for everybody, but personally I was not discussing nor Joerg/cdrecord/Debian. I learned a long time ago to stay out of such discussions. I have not read debian-legal, nor do I care to - this issue is not one which concerns me, at all. My responses have been in response to the comm

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Derek E. Lewis
Clarrification: "Joerg added conditions to cdrecord that forbids a user to change certain lines in the code and then distribute it" Thanks, Derek E. Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://riemann.solnetworks.net/~dlewis On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, Derek E. Lewis wrote: There is a big campaign against the CD

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Derek E. Lewis
There is a big campaign against the CDDL, OpenSolaris and me. s/the CDDL, OpenSolaris and // Would you please stop mis-representing the issue to this mailing list, which includes various people who are unassociated with Sun, but also Sun employees who are willing to modify OpenSolaris-related

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Dennis Clarke
> When you are dealing with the equivilant of modern day hippies, this should > be the expected mode of operation. There really isn't much "argument" at > all, except for the people who are riding these waves as surfers, throwing > punches and kicking for the heck of it. Basically, a VERY vocal mi

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread David J. Orman
> It would be nice if such a thing would be possible; I think we > certainlyshould expound the CDDL FAQ some, specifically those > points which are > seen controversial. I was meaning something to specifically address the issues that are being put forth right now. Not a general CDDL defense pap

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Casper . Dik
>I think a very clear written one to two page rebuttle with absolute >proof or very clear logic behi nd the choice of CDDL released without >much fanfare would be the best approach to extinguishing thi s current >fire, anything more and you're just going to be pouring petrol. It would be nice if

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread David J. Orman
> I know; but *who* is she? > > It is interesting how people quote the FSF on the CDDL; they > invariablyneglect to mention that the FSF says the *exact* same > things about > the Apache 2.0 license yet Apache 2.0 is still part of Debian. > > Casper This is her: http://www.perl.com/supersnail/

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be a critical mistake to underestimate her knowledge on the CDDL > issues. OK, then let us try to find out why she does not tell the truth when she talks about the CDDL in public. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Dennis Clarke
> >>former sun employee, member of the opensolaris pilot project they are >>using to give the appearance as having inside information that makes >>the CDDL and the people behind it look evil. > > I know; but *who* is she? I think we all know that she was a lot more than just some Sun employee.

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Casper . Dik
>former sun employee, member of the opensolaris pilot project they are >using to give the appearance as having inside information that makes >the CDDL and the people behind it look evil. I know; but *who* is she? It is interesting how people quote the FSF on the CDDL; they invariably neglect to

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread James Dickens
On 9/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Danese Cooper is wrong in that many of the folks who were involved in picking of the license wanted the GPL but that the GPL did not qualify because of all the encumbered code in Solaris. But since "GPL Compatible" really only means "You

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Danese Cooper is wrong in that many of the folks who were > involved in picking of the license wanted the GPL but that > the GPL did not qualify because of all the encumbered code in > Solaris. This is exactly what I have in mind from my talk with Andy Tucker in Se

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Casper . Dik
Danese Cooper is wrong in that many of the folks who were involved in picking of the license wanted the GPL but that the GPL did not qualify because of all the encumbered code in Solaris. But since "GPL Compatible" really only means "You can rip of this license and replace it with the GPL", a "G

Re: [osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > cdrtools forked by Debian Project, claims that build system is incompatible, > Joerg is wrong, they know better, and that Danese Cooper claims that the CDDL > was purposefully made CDDL GPL incompatible: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/

[osol-discuss] Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-04 Thread Shawn Walker
cdrtools forked by Debian Project, claims that build system is incompatible, Joerg is wrong, they know better, and that Danese Cooper claims that the CDDL was purposefully made CDDL GPL incompatible: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg2.html http://linux.slashdot.org/ar

[osol-discuss] Re: use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Ed
Thanks. That's pretty much what my manager said as well. I think we'll definitely stick with our own Apache and Postfix, but I'm worried about the openssl version as 0.9.7d is subject to vulnerabilities, and presumably the SSH is compiled against this. This message posted from opensolaris.or

[osol-discuss] Re: use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Allen Wittenauer
> The main concern I have is whether Solaris will provide > the patches as soon as any vulnerabilities come out, especially for > Apache? While vulnerabilities get fixed fairly quickly, the biggest problem with using the bundled Apache is that new features (such as large file support) tend to t

[osol-discuss] RE: use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Jan Pechanec
hi, >Solaris 10 now which provides this software as part of the OS, so I'm >not sure whether it's best just to use that instead of my own builds?The the answer is "yes" unless you really need a new functionality not present in versions shipped with S10 >main concern I have is wh

[osol-discuss] ZFS boot

2006-09-04 Thread Doug Scott
Is anything happening with the zfs boot project??? Doug This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] use vendor supplied opensource?

2006-09-04 Thread Edward Quick
Hi,At the company I work in, we use apache, openssh and openssl on (commercial) Solaris. Up until now I've always downloaded the code, compiled and packaged it myself. However we're moving to Solaris 10 now which provides this software as part of the OS, so I'm not sure whether it's best just t

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Any IDE controller Solaris 10 driver?

2006-09-04 Thread Martin Bochnig
Jürgen Keil wrote: > >Maybe this is one of the following two firewire issues: >http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=41741 >http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=10796 > > > Wow! Like always, when JK fixes a bug :) ___

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Weekly News #27

2006-09-04 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Adding opensolaris-announce to send these weekly summaries there, as well as -discuss. All follow ups should be to -discuss. Glynn == > Stephen Lau announced that build 47 [1] and the ON nightly [2] were available, > but noted that this delivery included the flag day for the Sun Studio 11

[osol-discuss] HCL (new dual core xeons)

2006-09-04 Thread Mike Williams
Hi, Sorry if this isn't really the place for this, but I've been over the list archives and the HCL from Sun, and can't find what I'm after. Very soon we plan on getting a backup archival server (I hate tapes), to run Solaris on, for ZFS naturally. It's likely to be a new dual core Xeon, on a I

[osol-discuss] Re: Any IDE controller Solaris 10 driver?

2006-09-04 Thread Jürgen Keil
> I had exactly the same experience: I bought two 500GB > PATA drives to attach to my SunBlade 150 (Sparc > [EMAIL PROTECTED]); at first I tried to connect them through > FireWire with a USB2/FW box, but whenever the drives > are accessed simultaneously, one of them locks up, > and the system respo

[osol-discuss] Re: java process sucking up CPU time?

2006-09-04 Thread Nick Stephen
Hi there, This process is there for various optional management services coded in Java - rather than each one having its own JVM, there's one shared JVM process to minimize the (non-zero) impact of having a JVM running on the system. Idle Java processes can eat up background CPU doing internal