[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Sven Luther wrote: You brought up a very interesting point. Since on a file-by-file basis, CDDL is essentially the same as GPL, I am now wondering whether it might a good idea (at least for sanity purposes) to separate the Solaris/OpenSolaris kernel into two parts: the GPL part and the binar

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 11:16:59PM -0500, Nathan Hawkins wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > I see no reason for this conversation to continue, ad nauseum, > > for the remainder of eternity. OpenSolaris is under CDDL. > > GPL is incompatible wit

Re: [osol-discuss] Suspend to disk on a Sun Fire 6800?

2005-09-06 Thread Hugh McIntyre
|> It used to be the case that if logging was enabled in the root disk |> that CPR did not work - not sure if that is still the case. Works for me with logging on the root filesystem and S10. Hugh. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-disc

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Nathan Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I see no reason for this conversation to continue, ad nauseum, > for the remainder of eternity. OpenSolaris is under CDDL. > GPL is incompatible with any license that is not a sublicensable > subset of GPL. That wasn't by acc

Re: [osol-discuss] Got my OpenSolairs first 5000 t-shirt today...

2005-09-06 Thread Bill Bradford
On 9/6/05, James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i have heard others in the 53XXX zip code areas got there's as well... > so keep the faith they are coming and they look really nice Got mine here today as well (77063; Houston, Texas). They look *really* nice! Bill __

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 7, 2005, at 02:07, Roy T. Fielding wrote: I see no reason for this conversation to continue, ad nauseum, for the remainder of eternity. OpenSolaris is under CDDL. GPL is incompatible with any license that is not a sublicensable subset of GPL. That wasn't by accident -- it is the intenti

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I see no reason for this conversation to continue, ad nauseum, for the remainder of eternity. OpenSolaris is under CDDL. GPL is incompatible with any license that is not a sublicensable subset of GPL. That wasn't by accident -- it is the intention of the FSF that all software be under the GPL. T

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:54:23AM +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Sep 7, 2005, at 00:27, Sven Luther wrote: > > >On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:56:02PM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Robert W. Fuller wrote: > >> > >>>Shawn Walker wrote: > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gon

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 06:37:08PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 9/6/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:56:02PM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Robert W. Fuller wrote: > > > > > > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > > > If opensolaris ever went GP

[osol-discuss] Got my OpenSolairs first 5000 t-shirt today...

2005-09-06 Thread James Dickens
i have heard others in the 53XXX zip code areas got there's as well... so keep the faith they are coming and they look really nice James Dickens uadmin.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 7, 2005, at 00:27, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:56:02PM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Robert W. Fuller wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an instant, and I suspect others would as well. Because at that point, it wou

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does thismean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:59:51PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 8/19/05, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an > > > instant, and I suspect > > > > others would as well. Because at that point, it > > > would beco

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 11:23:30AM -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > CDDL (or more specifically, a code licensed under the CDDL) can be considered > as consisting of two portions: the GPL portion and the proprietary portion. > If enough manpower (gender neutral) can be mustered to eliminate the nee

Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 07:23:48PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Stephen Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL: > > >>http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD > > >> > > >>If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has p

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 9/6/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:56:02PM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Robert W. Fuller wrote: > > > > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an instant, and I suspect > > > > others would as well.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:56:02PM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Robert W. Fuller wrote: > > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an instant, and I suspect > > > others would as well. Because at that point, it would become useless > > > > Nobody

[osol-discuss] status of build 22

2005-09-06 Thread Stephen Lau
Last week at the SVOSUG meeting, I gave a quick update on build 22. It seems beneficial to post something here as well so everyone can get an update. The biggest change aside from syncing up with Nevada build 22 is that we're opening up the crypto code. This has been available as a standalo

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 09:32:54AM +1000, Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC) wrote: > Shawn Walker wrote: > > >FSF's comments about CDDL: > >"This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; it > >has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:06:42PM -0400, Richard M. Stallman wrote: > Would it be too much to kindly ask the FSF to consider amending the > GPL (in light of the forthcoming GPL V3) to allow compatibility with > other open source licenses which may not be GPL derivatives, but are >

[osol-discuss] Re: Debian with OpenSolaris: a broken dream

2005-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
> Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 7/22/05, Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > The biggest CDDL problem is that it includes a > "choice-of-venue": > > > > > > «The problem with choice of venue clauses is that > anyone who accepts > > > the license must also acc

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is Solaris x86 limited to 21 CPUs?

2005-09-06 Thread Jason W
I saw a 12-way 486 that ran Sequent Unix before. I didn't see it actually running but I saw it for sale as some unknown server. I googled it and found out its specs. It was a Sequent S2000. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensol

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris Source Study Blog

2005-09-06 Thread Jim Grisanzio
I put your feed into opensolaris.org. Should update shortly. Jim Matthew Alton wrote: My Sparc bias is showing. It's strictly a matter of taste. I have a history of periodically diving into assembly language projects. My efforts to study x86 assembly lanuage have always culminated in a vio

[osol-discuss] Re: Porting ReiserFS to Solaris?

2005-09-06 Thread Sunil
that's just your personal experience. My personal experience is that I have recovered with reiserfs better than ext3...yes, you heard that right. reisefs 3.6 is as stable it gets, have been running it for about 2 years now. My system hard powered off many times during these years, never once I h

[osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris Source Study Blog

2005-09-06 Thread Matthew Alton
My Sparc bias is showing. It's strictly a matter of taste. I have a history of periodically diving into assembly language projects. My efforts to study x86 assembly lanuage have always culminated in a violent motion away from. The x86 architecture suffers mightily from the inverted pyramid o

[osol-discuss] eWEEK review of Shillix...link for easy ref

2005-09-06 Thread Laura Ramsey
Here you go! http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1854001,00.asp Not to put too much spin on it...(read my blog for spin...) it does seem to include constructive feedback... at the very least it warrants some responses to the story...as it will definitely generate a lot of readership and hop

[osol-discuss] Re: OpenSolaris Source Study Blog

2005-09-06 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
This is great. Just a minor comment. Instead of a used Sparc system, why not an Opteron or Athlon64? Many more (new) users will benefit from your Study Blog. BTW, during my recent trip to Taiwan, I have heard talks about Sun's new Galaxy (?) system. I understand this is based on the Opteron

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Source Study Blog

2005-09-06 Thread Matthew Alton
People of Earth, I have just started a blog dedicated to the study of the OpenSolaris source code. I will try to provide a step-by-step guide to understanding the kernel code as I learn. All comments welcome. http://www.opensunos.blogspot.com This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: zfs

2005-09-06 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Daniel Johnsen wrote: Wow, do you think it's easily portable to the Linux kernel? How long do you think it might take them? That was one of the questions I hoped to get answered with this thread ;) "What do you think / Do you know, how much % of the zfs code needs/neede

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: zfs

2005-09-06 Thread Daniel Johnsen
> Wow, do you think it's easily portable to the Linux > kernel? > > How long do you think it might take them? > That was one of the questions I hoped to get answered with this thread ;) "What do you think / Do you know, how much % of the zfs code needs/needed to be rewritten ?" Anyway I doubt

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-09-06 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Young Joo Song wrote: Since we are in the dark, perhaps you could let us know what has been done and what you have in mind, so we can see how we could fit? Urls will be OK. As you mentioned, there are localization efforts here and there. For Chinese locales, one of the most common complaint

[osol-discuss] Mascot Contest

2005-09-06 Thread Sara Dornsife
I've cc'd the discuss alias in case there is anyone there, not on the marketing alias, that would like to participate in this discussion. There has been much discussion about a mascot for OpenSolaris and a competition/contest/voting system within the community to create one. We have a couple

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-09-06 Thread Young Song
That's great! My group (Globalization) has translated and tested the localized Solaris for many years. How about we start a separate discussion (perhaps in the i18n-interest) on how to best organize translation? It would be great for us to come up with a "process" that's easy to follow for anyone w

Re: [osol-discuss] Update: 4 Community Proposals

2005-09-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>On Laptops and Solaris x86 drivers, I see some ways of combining those >two (and potentially more) into one community. I'm thinking about the >user group community I formed, which now has about 10 individual groups >and three more in the queue. So, one community with 10 groups, not 10 >indivi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: zfs

2005-09-06 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Monday 05 September 2005 10:11 am, Daniel Johnsen wrote: > Thanks for your replies, I will wait in suspense for ZFS to come on Solaris > and hopefully also on Linux :) Wow, do you think it's easily portable to the Linux kernel? How long do you think it might take them? -- Alan DuBoff - Sun

Re: [osol-discuss] Suspend to disk on a Sun Fire 6800?

2005-09-06 Thread Gavin Maltby
On 09/04/05 01:26, Felix Schulte wrote: Does the Sun Fire 6800 support suspend to disk of single domains or the whole machine? Strictly speaking "CPR" (checkpoint-resume) is only supported on workstation class systems. But if you *know* your 6800 is suitable for the operations (likely meaning