Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-29 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:09 PM +0100 Michael Ströder wrote: On 1/29/20 7:49 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: --On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 6:52 PM +0100 Michael Ströder wrote: On 1/28/20 7:45 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: Also, I really really really would like 2.4.49 to

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-29 Thread Michael Ströder
On 1/29/20 7:49 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > --On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 6:52 PM +0100 Michael Ströder > wrote: > >> On 1/28/20 7:45 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >>> Also, I really really really would like 2.4.49 to be the end of 2.4, >>> outside the possibility of some critical CVEs.

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-29 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 6:52 PM +0100 Michael Ströder wrote: On 1/28/20 7:45 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: Also, I really really really would like 2.4.49 to be the end of 2.4, outside the possibility of some critical CVEs. But that's just your personal goal which is leaving sys

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-29 Thread Michael Ströder
On 1/28/20 7:45 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > Also, I really really really would like 2.4.49 to be the end of 2.4, > outside the possibility of some critical CVEs. But that's just your personal goal which is leaving systems in production unpatched until you feel you're done. IMO that's totally w

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-28 Thread Hugh McMaster
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 05:46, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > But my point was, I think it’s a fallacy to tie software quality and > frequency of releases. I encounter way too much software today that > releases frequently, but what it releases is poorly (or not at all) QA'd, > etc. And it's a nigh

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-28 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:01 PM +0100 Michael Ströder wrote: Today releasing is already way too slow. And I'm concerned that a release policy with additional constraints, as suggested with odd-/even-numbered releases, will make it even harder to get important fixes out of the door.

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-28 Thread Michael Ströder
On 1/28/20 6:30 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > --On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:08 AM +0100 Michael Ströder > wrote: > >> On 1/27/20 11:17 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >>> --On Monday, January 27, 2020 10:45 PM +0100 Michael Ströder >>> wrote: >>> On 1/27/20 10:19 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mou

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-28 Thread Ondřej Kuzník
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 02:17:13PM -0800, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > No, not at all. I would say OpenLDAP has too few releases in a year (only > 1-2 currently for most years, unfortunately), so having more frequent > releases for it is probably a good thing. But a piece of software in > general

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-28 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:08 AM +0100 Michael Ströder wrote: On 1/27/20 11:17 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: --On Monday, January 27, 2020 10:45 PM +0100 Michael Ströder wrote: On 1/27/20 10:19 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: To me, frequent releases generally indicate an immat

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-28 Thread Michael Ströder
On 1/27/20 11:17 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > --On Monday, January 27, 2020 10:45 PM +0100 Michael Ströder > wrote: > >> On 1/27/20 10:19 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >>> To me, frequent releases >>> generally indicate an immature, unstable, and buggy product. ;) >> >> Are you sarcastic her

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-27 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Monday, January 27, 2020 10:45 PM +0100 Michael Ströder wrote: On 1/27/20 10:19 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: To me, frequent releases generally indicate an immature, unstable, and buggy product. ;) Are you sarcastic here? No, not at all. I would say OpenLDAP has too few releas

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-27 Thread Michael Ströder
On 1/27/20 10:19 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > To me, frequent releases > generally indicate an immature, unstable, and buggy product. ;) Are you sarcastic here? Ciao, Michael.

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-27 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Saturday, January 25, 2020 11:22 PM +1100 Hugh McMaster wrote: As an observer of this project, the length of time between releases in this project makes it seem far less active than other projects. So, I personally would like to see more frequent releases, with a clearer timeline and

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-25 Thread Gavin Henry
> This new strategy is an attempt to > prevent new features from languishing unreleased for so long, while still > providing for > the more stability-sensitive parties out there. This is also one of the massive de-motivators as a developer. Creating something that solves a problem and sits unused

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-25 Thread Howard Chu
Hugh McMaster wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 06:48, Ryan Tandy wrote: >> Why was this particular approach chosen? As opposed to, for example, >> doing feature releases more often (e.g. 2.6 as soon as a few months >> after 2.5), or adding a fourth version component (2.5.y.z) for strictly >> bugfix-

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-25 Thread Hugh McMaster
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 06:48, Ryan Tandy wrote: > Why was this particular approach chosen? As opposed to, for example, > doing feature releases more often (e.g. 2.6 as soon as a few months > after 2.5), or adding a fourth version component (2.5.y.z) for strictly > bugfix-only patch releases? Not tr

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-24 Thread Ryan Tandy
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 08:12:49AM -0800, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: Starting with OpenLDAP 2.5, the OpenLDAP project will use a new release process. Odd numbered releases will contain only bug fixes Even numbered releases will allow for minor new features Works for me. Similar to Gavin's not

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-24 Thread Gavin Henry
>> Constructive responses to the new release strategy welcome. > > > Sounds good! Although odd numbers seems to feel like something risky, i.e. a > new feature, whereas even numbers feel nice and comfy, boring and just bug > fixes. Maybe just me! How does that fit with https://semver.org/ ? ===

Re: New release policy for OpenLDAP

2020-01-24 Thread Gavin Henry
> Odd numbered releases will contain only bug fixes > Even numbered releases will allow for minor new features > > This will allow for end users who want stability to focus on odd numbered > releases while allowing those who need/want newer features to be able to > make use of them. > > Constructiv