and would subjectively
rate LXDE as significantly lighter - lightweight enough that my kids
have a couple 700 MHz PII boxes running it. LXDE also uses my favorite
window manager, OpenBox. I don't think I've ever heard mention of an
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8.2 release and Debian is close to 6.0 going stable. I'm not sure if
it's relevant, but I think we can expect various publications to be
doing reviews. Having OI included in the discussion could be a
blessing, or a curse.
My $0.02, for whatever it may be wo
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> Hi Ken,
>
> On 25 Jan 2011, at 18:50, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 20:36 +, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I believe now would be a reall
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> On 01/25/11 10:50 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > As for the MTA discussion, Postfix is pretty much a drop in replacement
> > for Sendmail, and my vote would be to replace Sendmail entirely.
>
> I still don't
ut mayhaps some major x server changes?
Graphics card is Radeon RV370, wh/uses radeon driver on the os box, but
Gnome being so slow makes me wonder if maybe OI was defaulting to vga?
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44 driver's support many, many cards, yet only 4
models are listed. I'm curios why this might be? Shouldn't pretty much
any of the cards supported by those drivers work? Or is this list just
a sample of stuff that's actually been tested by the OI community?
I'm not very
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 05:55 -0800, ken mays wrote:
> To Ken Gunderson,
>
> The Quadro 600 works fine.
Thanks, Ken. How's the noise on that unit in a quiet room/office
environment? In my experience larger diameter fans running at lower
rpm's are preferable to smaller
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 09:00 -0800, Bill Sommerfeld wrote:
> On 02/09/11 21:52, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > I need a new graphics card for an older system (PCIE-1.0). I don't game,
> > do graphics, rendering, etc. so don't need high end - just a good
> > workstation
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 05:55 -0800, ken mays wrote:
> To Ken Gunderson,
>
> The Quadro 600 works fine.
>
> If you want a basic low-cost graphics card, you can use the GeForce GT 430 or
> NVIDIA 9600 GT which is available in most stores today for about $50-$80 USD.
> I su
I was just taking a second (well, actually third) look at this and the
more important baby (IMAP) was thrown out with the bath water (MTA
debate).
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 11:50 -0700, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 20:36 +, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> > Hi All,
&
cot is less feature complete and under more active
development. Cyrus would therefore likely involve less effort on the
pkg maintenance side.
My $0.02. I'm just trying to help.
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Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
Perhaps you may have something amiss with the Screen line in your
ServerLayout section. Don't you need quotes, e.g. shouldn't it read
something more like:
Screen "Screen 1"
Or in your case "Screen0"??
What happens when you g
x27;t get anywhere.
>
> Thanks
>
> Guy
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> Guy,
>
> Check out the Brother MFC-9560CDW.
Not familiar with this particular model but can attest that Brother in
general provides excellent bang for the buck. Just stay away from
refurbished.
Ken
this, i.e. don't more knowledge and info based than
recreational. I suggest you include it in your evaluations.
Also, there are many excellent CMS's out there which would ease the
burden of keeping things up to date greatly. I would recommend taking a
good look at Drupal. That way web dev's can focus on backend
development and documentation oriented folks can focus on creating
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On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 07:06 -0700, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 09:24 +, Guy Woolley wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > Does anyone have positive experience of a currently
> > available (not legacy) Multifunction colour laser printer (duplex
> &g
e LiveCD down a bit. Presumably if we built 151a
> consolidations, and used distro-const from 151a, we'd end up with a CD rather
> than a DVD.
>
> I guess we'll find out soon enough :-)
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fwiw.
Ideas? Thanks in advance.
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Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "nvidia"
EndSection
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Scre
cessor or later
The system is Tyan S2865 based, sporting any Opteron 180, & 4GB ECC,
fwiw.
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EE) Feb 26 18:02:42 NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver.
(EE) Feb 26 18:02:45 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device!
(II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
(II) UnloadModule: "wfb"
(II) UnloadModule: "fb"
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable con
#x27;re getting closer.
Hence the discussion. Recently a developer spun an IllumsOS based
OpenIndiana Live Cd, dubbed oi-dev-148a. Sans the "as" it's still Sun
ON based .
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Support for GLX with the Damage and
Composite X extensions is
(II) Feb 27 06:31:57 NVIDIA(0): enabled.
(EE) Feb 27 06:32:01 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics
device!
(II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
(II) UnloadModule: "wfb"
(II) UnloadModule: "fb"
this was obvious to Solaris guru's but I'm not and offer the
above in the hope it saves someone else some time running down similar
issue in the future.
Regards-- Ken
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> Greetings All:
>
> I explored this a bit more. Got
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 07:33 +, Chris Ridd wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2011, at 04:20, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>
> > But one of my cores is pegged whilst just idling. Boo Hiss!! :(
> >
> > Hmmm... just booted with the vesa drivers and core is still pegged.
> > Maybe not
ars with other things, but am curious if anyone has
checked Illumos bug tracker?
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hannels don't meet their needs, then they should
take that under consideration when choosing an OS platform.
To reiterate, lest some misinterpret, this does not equate to, nor
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On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 15:26 +0100, Hans J. Albertsson wrote:
> Will there be a next build of OI, or must we wait for Illumos?
See this thread from oi-dev:
<http://openindiana.org/pipermail/oi-dev/2011-March/000257.html>
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> * Ken Gunderson [2011-03-15 01:53]:
> > I'm confused about whether what's being served up at:
> >
> > <http://openindiana.org/download/>
> >
> > is now Illumos based or still on
h their own. Gnome works on Solaris. And pretty
much works on OI. Better places to invest limited developer engergies
and talent than incorporating KDE, imho. You got a really, really bad
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> On Wednesday, March 30, 2011 08:00 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 07:51 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 30, 2011 04:15 AM, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
> >&
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 11:42 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote:
> On Wednesday, 30 March, 2011 10:22 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > Who ever said anything about K/Ubuntu, mon? Imho, Ubuntu is for lamers
> > who're not quite bright enough to use a real operating system
>
>
> The Desktop on UNIX/Linux is just a mess. Period. I hope OSS4 gives
> something better than the sun audio interface it is replacing (or did I
> read that wrong?) and some strides are made elsewhere for the desktop.
Audio interface needs help. Just after a big revamp, still d
t.
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enterprise backup solutions Baccula was the clear winner for my needs.
Amanda has since seen some developer love so would be worth taking a
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extant, and 4) switch to different platform, e.g. Slackware/Salix that
is less concerned about being sued and bold enough to provides prebuilt
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> On 9 May 2011, at 09:43, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>
> > Yes, the lame encoder package, wh/is not available in openindiana
> > repositories due to license and patent issues. Options include 1)
> > switching to less paten
it would be most excellent if your mua would wrap lines at an
appropriate length.
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> Alasdair
Ah! Thanks bunches. I was just installing 148b on a test box and if it
was matter of couple days I'd just waited.
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On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 21:38 +, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> This month, unless some major showstopper crops up.
P.S. - any info w.r.t. repository package updates, e.g. LibreOffice,
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On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 16:40 -0700, ken mays wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Ref: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi_151
>
> OI Release Engineering stated that construction of the consolidation images
> were underway so expectation is within the upcoming week (or two). Mainly
> said, TBA - but it was recent
or openindiana.org; not oi-dev-il:
>
> http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/
>
> This is either because one of the repository origins is not valid for this
> publisher, or because the list of known publishers retrieved from the
> repository origin does not match
referred would make a difference though since this was a fresh oi 148b
install rather than OpenSolaris upgrade.
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On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 12:56 +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
> * Ken Gunderson [2011-05-17 21:30]:
> > I'm not subscribed to oi-dev and short on time so will post here.
> > Testing 148b I note that mouse wheeling over gnome switcher does not
> > change desktops. Unti
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:25 +, Ben Taylor wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have read the following
> >
> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQ1Nw
> >
> >
> > Are they serious? I think we should seriously co
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 10:26 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> On 05/19/11 04:23 AM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have read the following
> >
> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQ1Nw
> >
> >
> > Are they serious? I think we should seriously consi
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On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 23:29 +0200, Jeppe Toustrup wrote:
> 2011/5/23 Ken Gunderson :
> > On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 15:39 -0400, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
> >> Another related question - why have we stopped using pfexec and
> >> started using sudo? I preferred RBAC...
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 17:03 -0700, Bill Sommerfeld wrote:
> On 05/23/11 16:54, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 23:29 +0200, Jeppe Toustrup wrote:
> >> The change was made upstream. See this bug report which discusses the
> >> change:
> >&g
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:10 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, I read the thread, and that aspect I do agree with. The part that
> >> irked
on't think it's unreasonable
> that might upset people, although this case is not a great example of one
> worth picking a fight over, IMO.
>
> OTOH, either finding a better way to use RBAC for this particular purpose, or
> using sudo instead, is probably an improvement on ho
is something that I don't
> really like. It's an Ubuntu thing. sudo is for scripts and for giving
> limited access to certain stuff to certain accounts. If I had to become
> root, I prefer doing 'su -'.
>
> So please, drop the 'sudo is a Linux thing'.
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 01:21 +, Ben Taylor wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Christopher Chan
> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 08:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yeah,
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>
> OpenBSD ships with sudo and a root account accessible by anyone in the wheel
> group. Where does that fit?
As do the other *BSD's. Ironically enough, Fedora 15 beta has now added
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d place a higher premium on
values such as reliability, robustness, security, performant, etc.
rather than the number of downloads by relatively low tech users.
Unless your hidden FOSS agenda is to create a revenue stream by
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declined to fringe status. Had Sun open sourced it 5 years sooner and
actually gotten the job done in a timely manner their employees may well
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On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 13:33 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> On 24 May 2011, at 13:10, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > Especially when that distro is loosing respect from those who actually
> > have a clue or two due to continued track record of bugs that result in
> > very unreliabl
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> On 05/24/11 08:54 AM, Gary Mills wrote:
> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 06:26:33AM -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >&
kBps,
interspersed with dips down into the 30's and 40's.
In any event, I have confirmation from Andrzej that Gnome's update gui
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>
> (happened 3 times)
Fwiw, my update using essentially same command line completed
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ecisely this, to the point of going
against sound technical analysis, so mayhaps I'm a bit sensitive when I
read comments which may be even remotely construed as such.
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knowledged as the father of modern management
science wrote some verbiage about this very problem decades ago. Many
of his predictions of dire consequences for such behavior came home to
roost in 2008. But yet those who do not learn from history are still
doomed to repeat it.... sigh
>
> Hope that is interesting and if anybody in the meeting notices any mistakes,
> let me know and I'll get them fixed
Thanks, Deano. Could someone please repost link to actual irc logs? I
seem to have lost it...:-[
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> Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
> >
> > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2011/06/oracle-gives-openoffice-to-apa.html
> >
> > Of course the article is terrible and myopic since it assumes that the
> > center of
> > the universe is Lin
> $ pfexec beadm activate oi-nvidia
> > $ pfexec reboot -p
>
> Thank you, I'll try this.
>
> Anyway, "pkg image-update" is much more right way :-)
I brought this up on oi-dev recently and was informed that nvidia
drivers will be updated for 151 release.
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this juncture, I'm of the opinion that LibreOffice would be taking a
step backwards if it took on the Openoffice name. Folks know that
LibreOffice is the path for future. The LibreOffice name is also, imo,
more entic
ain
subscribed to these lists and waste OI.org bandwidth.
Thanks for helping me work that out cuz I'm surely too challenged
mentally to have worked that out on my own.
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#oi-meeting yesterday, the specifics of which were left for further
discussion. In any case, similar to FreeBSD with RELEASE, TESTING/DEV,
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Much better to actually have a # in your prompt and adhere to
the old sysadmin adage of sitting on your hands for 5 seconds before
hitting enter...
The point being here, that while sudo does have it's place, it's not the
magic
like OpenIndiana, particularly when contracted to
"oi", as compared to Illumos in that at least it conveys that this is
supposed to be an "Open" project (although "Open" has been so misused by
marketroids trying to cash in on the Open Source phenom that in more
recent tim
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:03 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> > What's wrong with just "illumos"? If you need to distinguish, just use
> > "illumos, the kernel" or "illumos, OS/Net"
roject. Hence all of the above are
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I'm not averse to dropping OpenIndiana in favor of something better. I
AM against that being any kind of play/dependency on Illumos. I don't
have anything against the Illumos project. But therein lies the salient
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e for branched distributions production - a la Ubuntu,etc)
>
> If we put $5-10 in a Jar or spend hour or two on some distribution's
> coordinated effort,
> - every time we got Eureka idea about branding, then I wouldn't mind
> any great branding ideas.
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for a while has their Oracle horror story so why would we want to
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d squat on this name if it's not going to be for the
> > productive use of this project. ;)
> >
>
>
> "Moonshine". It goes along with Celestial objects (Moon), and Shine as in
> Rays of Sun. Also programming at night.
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> Blake
Amen, brother!! I about hurled reading Jake's reply. Glad to see that
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> On 06/21/2011 03:05 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 11:32 -0700, Blake wrote:
> >> I agree that Sun's engineering legacy is impressive.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the words '
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 15:43 -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 03:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> Like it or not, Jake's reply is just as legitimate as yours. Solaris has
> >> caché to some, myself included. Me not knowing anything about it beyond
> >>
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 07:09 +1000, Matt Connolly wrote:
> On 21/06/2011, at 3:54 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:03 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 19:58 -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I a
dora 15, Debian-6, etc.
(i.e. not virtualized) and the difference is quite noticeable.
Solaris derivatives like OI have their attractions. But speed isn't one
of them. At least this is my experience, since you asked. Let the flame
fest begin...
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On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:13 +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 19:24 +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> >> Hi everyone:
> >>
> >> I've been using openindiana as my primary desktop
On oi-151, I could not get any of the 4 different sound cards I have on
hand to work, though I seem to recall the onboard nvidia worked with
148. Too many Gnome glitches on 151 to mention.
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;oi" for the general discussion list
and leave hyphen whatever for more specialized lists, e.g. oi-dev,
oi-bugs, etc.
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a far stretch to construe criticism of Oracle
corporate policies enacted by upper management to extend to rank and
file employees who are so far down the food chain I doubt said policy
makers even know they exist.
My $0.02.
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On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 15:31 -0700, Gary Driggs wrote:
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> On Jul 31, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote:
> > The problem in this instance is that Sun DID open source many cool things
> > and post Sun take over Oracle has been systematically "undoing" Sun'
irc
correctly the consensus was that the mailing lists worked fine and oi's
limited resources would be better utilized elsewhere?? It's been some
time though so maybe I'm having a brain fart.
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> mailing list traffic to grow too unwieldy, but we can cross that bridge if we
> ever get to it. And, it would be a great problem to have too. :)
>
Oh god, please no! Not another lame forum/mlm cluster fsck
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ptions as
well as your personal preferences, wh/because you can point to some
others who share those preferences becomes a mandate for OI to follow.
This is not necessarily so.
I also curious if you may have _any_ type of affiliation with Vanilla
because I'm
way, we
> > could set up some experimental thing and see if it works.
> >
> > Jeff.
>
> I must be old-fashioned, but I find an NNTP server easier than forums (and
> less junk accumulating on my mail server). Seamonkey has an adequate reader,
> although I p
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