Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Doug Hughes
smartctl -x reports the wear on decent ones (read: you shouldn't consider any that doesn't have this feature). When it gets close to 0, or you see a lot of errors, it's time to replace it. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Brogyányi József wrote: > 2014.02.09. 22:19 keltezéssel, Jim Klimov írta:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Brogyányi József
2014.02.09. 22:19 keltezéssel, Jim Klimov írta: 2*120Gb Samsung Pro SSDs (with powerloss protection, formatted to use 100Gb for mirrored rpool/mirrored zil/striped l2arc since their 100Gb sub-model has much higher reliability and speed - but is not on sale here). Jim Only one question about the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-10 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
Seagate or Samsung SSDs? On 2014-02-09 22:19, Jim Klimov wrote: Sorry about the unclarities, I was away from both access to that machine and our shopping spec :) Ultimately, what my brother shopped for was: ... * OS/cache SSDs - 2*Seagate Enterprise SSD 120Gb ST120FN0021 But earlier you had

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2014-02-09 22:35, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: I don't know if it affects your setup, but I thought the 9211 was 6Gbps SAS only, and 3Gbps SATA. Are your disks SAS? I'm not familiar with any drives that WD makes being SAS, but maybe it was just the environment I was in didn't use them. Well, WD

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-09 Thread Alex Smith (K4RNT)
I don't know if it affects your setup, but I thought the 9211 was 6Gbps SAS only, and 3Gbps SATA. Are your disks SAS? I'm not familiar with any drives that WD makes being SAS, but maybe it was just the environment I was in didn't use them. " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first sp

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-09 Thread Jim Klimov
Sorry about the unclarities, I was away from both access to that machine and our shopping spec :) Ultimately, what my brother shopped for was: * Chassis - minimal N54L with 2Gb RAM and 250Gb HDD which went elsewhere * RAM - 2 * Kingston / KVR1333D3E9S/8G 2*8Gb ECC (9*1024Mbyte = 72*1Gbit) DDR3

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-09 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Hi József! > I'd like to give you some suggestions. Thank you! > First the "zpool list -v" is > useless code if you want to know the free space. I know. I wanted to show the structure of the pools and the layout of the vdevs. > Another useless > thing is when you sliced your SSD and put on r

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-09 Thread John Ryan
On 9/02/2014 2:37 PM, Brogyányi József wrote: Volker I'd like to give you some suggestions. First the "zpool list -v" is useless code if you want to know the free space. You try this:zfs list. You can see the real space on your server. I assume your experience is with raidz configurations, wher

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-09 Thread Brogyányi József
Volker I'd like to give you some suggestions. First the "zpool list -v" is useless code if you want to know the free space. You try this:zfs list. You can see the real space on your server. Another useless thing is when you sliced your SSD and put on rpool,cache,log. If you want to increase yo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-09 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
Jim, On 2014-02-08 20:02, Jim Klimov wrote: 1.The latter (N54L) has an 8-port LSI controller, uses stock BIOS and What model controller is that? 2. does not use stock SATA ports at all, Why? Are these SATA ports bad or substandard or what? Are you not even using them for booting? 3. has

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-08 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2014-02-07 20:54, Robbie Crash wrote: For a home job, is there really any reason to use ECC RAM? Like, real world I mean. Not "Realistically all servers should use ECC RAM to protect the sanctity of the harmonious existence of all data from interloping cosmic radiation" or whatever, but real

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Robbie Crash
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: > > On 2/7/14, 7:54 PM, Robbie Crash wrote: > > For a home job, is there really any reason to use ECC RAM? > > It only costs a little extra and provides peace of mind. Apparently so! The last time I was looking at buying a significant amount of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread alka
For me my data at home are as valuable like my data at work and undetected RAM problems are the most probable way to loose or change data without a warning from ZFS. But ZFS without ECC can detect much more problems without ECC than filesystems without integrated checksums but with ECC. Main a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014, Robbie Crash wrote: With ZFS checksumming, isn't the likelihood of data corruption due to flipped RAM bits small enough to offset the cost difference for /home/ use? ZFS was built to handle RAM errors, wasn't it? No, it is not built to handle RAM errors. Once the data has

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 2/7/14, 7:54 PM, Robbie Crash wrote: > For a home job, is there really any reason to use ECC RAM? It only costs a little extra and provides peace of mind. > I'm running an i3 21020T, 32GB of normal non-ECC RAM, 4WD Green 2TBs and 4 > WD Black 1TBs each in RAIDZ, with a pool that I've filled an

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Robbie Crash
For a home job, is there really any reason to use ECC RAM? Like, real world I mean. Not "Realistically all servers should use ECC RAM to protect the sanctity of the harmonious existence of all data from interloping cosmic radiation" or whatever, but real world justification? With ZFS checksumming

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Johan Hertz
Hi, I just setup a Dell PowerEdge T20 using Smart OS and it works just fine. It start at 2199kr (not including VAT) so it is a cheap server too. I went for the Xeon E3 processor which is a bit more expensive but you might be ok with the cheaper options. Here's the link http://www.dell.com/s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Reginald Beardsley
I have an N40L configured w/ 4 x 2 TB disks and 8 GB of ECC DRAM. The disks have two partitions each. A small one for a 4 way mirrored root pool and a large one for data using double parity RAIDZ. It's a bit of extra work to configure, but works very nicely giving 100+ MB/s disk I/O. (179 MB

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Gregory Youngblood
I have an N40l that I built up to 16 gb ecc memory, 4 3tb red wd drives, and a 4 2.5 bay in the CD slot with an Adaptec card for the other four drives. I am using two ssd drives for is and have two bays open (2.5). It works very well with Linux. It runs OI very well too other than I have not got

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> I looked at a HP N54L today: Costs nothing, but actually handles ECC > memory. Albeit very slow memory, and not very much. > > So, would it be reasonable to set this guy up with 4 2TB SATA disks, > 8GB 800MHz ECC memory and run some Illumos based version with ZFS. Yes. Note that you could also