[OpenIndiana-discuss] FW: Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Floris van Essen ..:: House of Ancients Amstafs ::..
Hi Hans, Take a look at this : http://andysworld.org.uk/2011/08/25/skynet-ssdsupersan-hp-proliant-microserver-with-a-6-bay-hot-plug-sata-drive-bay/ Actually build this thing, running it as a backend storage at home for 2 ESX machine, with about 25 VM's running on it. Only difference I made was,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Robbie Crash
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: > > On 2/7/14, 7:54 PM, Robbie Crash wrote: > > For a home job, is there really any reason to use ECC RAM? > > It only costs a little extra and provides peace of mind. Apparently so! The last time I was looking at buying a significant amount of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread alka
For me my data at home are as valuable like my data at work and undetected RAM problems are the most probable way to loose or change data without a warning from ZFS. But ZFS without ECC can detect much more problems without ECC than filesystems without integrated checksums but with ECC. Main a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014, Robbie Crash wrote: With ZFS checksumming, isn't the likelihood of data corruption due to flipped RAM bits small enough to offset the cost difference for /home/ use? ZFS was built to handle RAM errors, wasn't it? No, it is not built to handle RAM errors. Once the data has

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 2/7/14, 7:54 PM, Robbie Crash wrote: > For a home job, is there really any reason to use ECC RAM? It only costs a little extra and provides peace of mind. > I'm running an i3 21020T, 32GB of normal non-ECC RAM, 4WD Green 2TBs and 4 > WD Black 1TBs each in RAIDZ, with a pool that I've filled an

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Robbie Crash
For a home job, is there really any reason to use ECC RAM? Like, real world I mean. Not "Realistically all servers should use ECC RAM to protect the sanctity of the harmonious existence of all data from interloping cosmic radiation" or whatever, but real world justification? With ZFS checksumming

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] illumos-watch - Dec 2013/Jan 2014

2014-02-07 Thread Geoff Nordli
On 14-02-07 02:30 AM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: Hey All, illumos-watch is out, covering December and January: http://everycity.co.uk/blog/2014/02/illumos-watch-january-2014/ Enjoy! Thanks for the heads up on this. Lots of great enhancements. In your search did you see anything with SMB2.1 a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread cpforum
> > Systems running Windows XP are not a "market". They were part of a > "market" quite a few years ago. I don't agree with that. Depression is always here in many country and it's not a priority for most people to change PC now. 25 % of XP is realy a very big market and MicroSoft is afraid t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Johan Hertz
Hi, I just setup a Dell PowerEdge T20 using Smart OS and it works just fine. It start at 2199kr (not including VAT) so it is a cheap server too. I went for the Xeon E3 processor which is a bit more expensive but you might be ok with the cheaper options. Here's the link http://www.dell.com/s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Reginald Beardsley
I have an N40L configured w/ 4 x 2 TB disks and 8 GB of ECC DRAM. The disks have two partitions each. A small one for a 4 way mirrored root pool and a large one for data using double parity RAIDZ. It's a bit of extra work to configure, but works very nicely giving 100+ MB/s disk I/O. (179 MB

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread cpforum
> Message du 07/02/14 11:19 > De : "Jonathan Adams" > > I'm sorry, but you are deluding yourself if you believe that OpenIndiana > has a chance in the Everyday Desktop market. I'm not deluding myself. I just believe that a more desktop oriented Openindiana could multiply by 2, 3, 4 or more t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Gregory Youngblood
I have an N40l that I built up to 16 gb ecc memory, 4 3tb red wd drives, and a 4 2.5 bay in the CD slot with an Adaptec card for the other four drives. I am using two ssd drives for is and have two bays open (2.5). It works very well with Linux. It runs OI very well too other than I have not got

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread John D Groenveld
In message , Bob F riesenhahn writes: >from our desire to also use it as a GUI desktop for common usages. Is it useful to distinguish between the Sun MadHatter ELC, Microsoft XP, "nanny-grade", "big brother-grade" desktop market that has been subsumed by the hand-held Internet appliance from the d

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> I looked at a HP N54L today: Costs nothing, but actually handles ECC > memory. Albeit very slow memory, and not very much. > > So, would it be reasonable to set this guy up with 4 2TB SATA disks, > 8GB 800MHz ECC memory and run some Illumos based version with ZFS. Yes. Note that you could also

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 7 February 2014 16:57, Stefan Müller-Wilken < stefan.mueller-wil...@acando.de> wrote: > But isn't that market already captured by Ubuntu and other Linux > distributions without _any_ serious hardware restrictions and experienced > neighborhood kids to help you out? As my DL360 problems show me

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread Stefan Müller-Wilken
But isn't that market already captured by Ubuntu and other Linux distributions without _any_ serious hardware restrictions and experienced neighborhood kids to help you out? As my DL360 problems show me once again, OI can be a beast... Cheers Stefan Von:

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Low low end server

2014-02-07 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
I looked at a HP N54L today: Costs nothing, but actually handles ECC memory. Albeit very slow memory, and not very much. So, would it be reasonable to set this guy up with 4 2TB SATA disks, 8GB 800MHz ECC memory and run some Illumos based version with ZFS. I was thinking of putting two 2.5" s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
This sounds reasonable! What needs to be done to capture this as a market share (actually, the reward would be visibility, only, not money) is to set up a readymade distro and a build recipe for a LOW LOW cost basement server for the home, to deliver privately controlled data storage that does

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014, Jonathan Adams wrote: Do you think that because Microsoft stop creating patches that it will lose significant market share? I'm not sure I even want to think about the fact that a large proportion of those 30% of computers are not even kept patched Systems running Windows X

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] /hipster update - zoneinfo package failure

2014-02-07 Thread Predrag Zecevic [Unix Systems Administrator]
On 02/ 7/14 12:02 PM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: On 01/31/2014 11:28, Predrag Zecevic [Unix Systems Administrator] wrote: On 01/30/14 09:14 AM, Predrag Zecevic [Unix Systems Administrator] wrote: Hi all, from time to time I am upgrading my /hipster image. I have tried that this morning too...

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] illumos-watch - Dec 2013/Jan 2014

2014-02-07 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi Stefan, As OpenIndiana is based on illumos, work that is contributed to illumos will show up in OpenIndiana. The OpenIndiana Hipster branch is synchronised fairly regularly with illumos (perhaps as frequently as daily?). The /dev branch gets an updated illumos snapshot each release. Changes ma

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] illumos-watch - Dec 2013/Jan 2014

2014-02-07 Thread Stefan Müller-Wilken
Hi there, thanks for the interesting compilation. Quite good to see what's going on in the different parts of the ecosystem. One question: how far does OpenIndiana benefit from the activities? When can we expect changes to show up downstream? Cheers Stefan

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] /hipster update - zoneinfo package failure

2014-02-07 Thread Alexander Pyhalov
On 01/31/2014 11:28, Predrag Zecevic [Unix Systems Administrator] wrote: On 01/30/14 09:14 AM, Predrag Zecevic [Unix Systems Administrator] wrote: Hi all, from time to time I am upgrading my /hipster image. I have tried that this morning too... $ uname -rosv SunOS 5.11 illumos-4f4d460 Solaris

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] illumos-watch - Dec 2013/Jan 2014

2014-02-07 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi Alexander, On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: > > Some remarks - second link (fork of illumos-gate) perhaps should link to https://github.com/Nexenta/illumos-nexenta/ . > Thanks - fixed! As for /etc/profile.d and /etc/.login.d - /etc/.login and /etc/profile > delivere

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] illumos-watch - Dec 2013/Jan 2014

2014-02-07 Thread Alexander Pyhalov
On 02/07/2014 14:30, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: Hey All, illumos-watch is out, covering December and January: http://everycity.co.uk/blog/2014/02/illumos-watch-january-2014/ Enjoy! Alasdair ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openi

[OpenIndiana-discuss] illumos-watch - Dec 2013/Jan 2014

2014-02-07 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hey All, illumos-watch is out, covering December and January: http://everycity.co.uk/blog/2014/02/illumos-watch-january-2014/ Enjoy! Alasdair ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 2014 April 8

2014-02-07 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 6 February 2014 20:21, cpforum wrote: > Hi, > > 2014 April 8 ... this is the End ... > > End of what ? > > Just the End of Microsoft support for Windows XP. > Time passing, 2014 April 8 will be the beginning of more and more Windows > XP botnets. > Facts : to day about 20 - 30 % of desktop are