Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Reginald Beardsley
--- On Tue, 9/25/12, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > Your paragraph above is a perfect illustration of people > failing to plan to properly handle the workload they do > have. :-) > > The fact of the matter is that most memory in modern servers > is used for filesystem/database caching (which doe

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, Reginald Beardsley wrote: Actually determining what makes sense requires understanding the workload. I rather doubt that 2 TB of swap space on a machine w/ 1 TB of DRAM would be a significant portion of the attached storage. Probably not even 0.1%. The cost of even 4 TB

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Reginald Beardsley
--- On Tue, 9/25/12, Richard Elling wrote: > > 32GB is 2 DIMMs today. It is quite easy to build a machine > with 256GB for > some more dollars, 1TB for a modest pile of dollars, at > which point 2x RAM for > swap becomes silly once again. Which presumes several things: That the machine will

[OpenIndiana-discuss] illumos-based Distros

2012-09-25 Thread ken mays
Ref: http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/Distributions There are several widely different OS distributions based on common illumos kernel. Some of them are maintained by enthusiasts, others are primarily developed by commercial companies with their own priorities and target products (i.e. s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Peter Tribble wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Richard Elling > wrote: >> >> Use what you need. Most people don't need or want to use swap. Why? >> Because... >> if you have to swap, performance will suck. Period. Case closed. Game, set, >> match. >> HDD

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 4k zpool version no longer available?

2012-09-25 Thread Jaco Schoonen
>>> >>> >>> Will try tomorrow after a reboot, can't do a reboot right now. >> >> >> Reboot doesn't change anything. zpool is still created with ashift=9 >> So either the usage of sd.conf is not in 151_a5, or the VID/PID are >> different from what you suggested above. >> How can I find or read

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Michael Stapleton
As a general rule, If you are scanning you need more RAM, If your applications are complaining you need more swap. Having endless swap just lets applications drive the server into the ground. Solaris uses virtual swap. VMstat sr column == 0 Mike On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 19:41 +0100, Peter Tribbl

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Remote console for Tyan motherboards with IPMI

2012-09-25 Thread Gary Mills
I have a Tyan S5510GM3NR motherboard that contains an IPMI (Intelligent Platform Management Interface) subsystem with a BMC (Baseboard Management Controller) device. It's described here: http://www.tyan.com/product_SKU_spec.aspx?ProductType=MB&pid=698&SKU=60217 It came with the V1.03 BI

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] killing graphical login

2012-09-25 Thread Yuri Pankov
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:14:07 -0400, Boris Epstein wrote: Hello listmates, If I intend to use my OI machine as a server and would like to kill the graphical console on it to only have a text one instead - how do I do that? It would be easier to just use the text based installer from the start,

[OpenIndiana-discuss] killing graphical login

2012-09-25 Thread Boris Epstein
Hello listmates, If I intend to use my OI machine as a server and would like to kill the graphical console on it to only have a text one instead - how do I do that? Thanks. Boris. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Peter Tribble
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > > Use what you need. Most people don't need or want to use swap. Why? Because... > if you have to swap, performance will suck. Period. Case closed. Game, set, > match. > HDDs are 5 orders of magnitude slower than RAM and all the king's hors

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Solaris cp problems

2012-09-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-09-25 18:11, Rob McMahon пишет: On 25/09/2012 14:52, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-09-24 17:42, Magnus пишет: On Sep 24, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Sebastian Gabler wrote: PS: I am using the Solaris cp command to have an easy way to preserve file attributes moving a share from one pool to the other of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Solaris cp problems

2012-09-25 Thread Rob McMahon
On 25/09/2012 14:52, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-09-24 17:42, Magnus пишет: On Sep 24, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Sebastian Gabler wrote: PS: I am using the Solaris cp command to have an easy way to preserve file attributes moving a share from one pool to the other of my CIFS server. rsync would do a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Solaris cp problems

2012-09-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-09-24 17:42, Magnus пишет: On Sep 24, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Sebastian Gabler wrote: PS: I am using the Solaris cp command to have an easy way to preserve file attributes moving a share from one pool to the other of my CIFS server. rsync would do a better job of that generally speaking.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Last change in zfs filesystem

2012-09-25 Thread Armin Maier
Thanks, i solved it with the "zfs diff" command, works 100 Times faster as my find ... solution :)) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Rob McMahon
On 25/09/2012 13:50, Richard Elling wrote: Use what you need. Most people don't need or want to use swap. Why? Because... if you have to swap, performance will suck. Period. Case closed. Game, set, match. HDDs are 5 orders of magnitude slower than RAM and all the king's horses and all the king's

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] sharesmb=off refresh problem

2012-09-25 Thread Jan Owoc
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Sebastian Gabler wrote: > > I detected lately that if I set a zfs filesystem to sharesmb=off, the share > will only be disabled on a subsequent re-start of the CIFS server. In the > meantime they remain accessible, but it is removed from the sharemgr list. > Has an

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Last change in zfs filesystem

2012-09-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-09-25 16:25, Richard Elling wrote: zdb is not intended to be used for tasks other than debugging or development. It is not a good idea to try and use it as a production tool. ...Correct, it is a bad idea to propose zdb's use in this manner. I agree, hence my note in the end of the letter.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Reginald Beardsley
I'll have to plead almost complete ignorance. However, once upon a time I was a serious disk and filesystem wonk, so I draw similar inferences about how ZFS behaves just from the high level description. while one could special case the handling of swap, it would be a lot of work and complexity

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 24, 2012, at 2:22 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote: > Hi, > I noticed that I usually have to grow the default swap installed by OI or > XStreamOS, because the > default text installer set up following some rules (stated inside the python > sources): > memorytype requiredsi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 4k zpool version no longer available?

2012-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 24, 2012, at 10:29 PM, Jaco Schoonen wrote: >> After studying all the information about 4K-disks I figured out that to get more space in my server I need to create a new pool, consisting of 4K-disks and then moving everything from the old 512-byte pool to the new on

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Last change in zfs filesystem

2012-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 25, 2012, at 4:19 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: > 2012-09-25 11:52, Armin Maier wrote: >> Hello, is there an easy way wo find out when the last update occured to >> an zfs filesystem, my goal is to only make a backup of a filesystem when >> something has changed. At this time i make it in a comma

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] failed upgrade from OpenSolaris to OpenIndiana

2012-09-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-09-25 11:15, baldyeti wrote: Hello, I've tried following the instructions from the wiki: The thing is I have a smallish (6GB) root FS, and ran out of space midway through the first step (upgrading from OS2009.06 to snv_134). Could

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Swap during install

2012-09-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-09-24 22:31, Reginald Beardsley wrote: However, if ZFS is really smart about paging space in a pool, the current practice of putting swap in rpool may be the best choice. Growfs should easily adjust the size. Given the number of lies being told about disk geometry at various stages, it'

[OpenIndiana-discuss] failed upgrade from OpenSolaris to OpenIndiana

2012-09-25 Thread baldyeti
Hello, I've tried following the instructions from the wiki: The thing is I have a smallish (6GB) root FS, and ran out of space midway through the first step (upgrading from OS2009.06 to snv_134). Could someone help me *) reclaim the disk

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] sharesmb=off refresh problem

2012-09-25 Thread Jake
I just had the opposite problem where a new share wasn't accessible until I restarted the cifs server. You're not alone. My server had been up for 6 months without much use. I'm still running oi148 though. Jake On Sep 25, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Sebastian Gabler wrote: > Hi, > > I detected latel

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 4k zpool version no longer available?

2012-09-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-09-25 9:29, Jaco Schoonen wrote: I tried after doing a "update_drv -f sd", but that gave an error: # update_drv -f sd Cannot unload module: sd Will be unloaded upon reboot. Forcing update of sd.conf. Will try tomorrow after a reboot, can't do a reboot right now. Reboot doesn't change anyt

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Last change in zfs filesystem

2012-09-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-09-25 11:52, Armin Maier wrote: Hello, is there an easy way wo find out when the last update occured to an zfs filesystem, my goal is to only make a backup of a filesystem when something has changed. At this time i make it in a command pipe with "find ... | sort ... | head | awk" what takes

[OpenIndiana-discuss] sharesmb=off refresh problem

2012-09-25 Thread Sebastian Gabler
Hi, I detected lately that if I set a zfs filesystem to sharesmb=off, the share will only be disabled on a subsequent re-start of the CIFS server. In the meantime they remain accessible, but it is removed from the sharemgr list. Has anybody else come across that already? BR Sebastian _

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Last change in zfs filesystem

2012-09-25 Thread Christian Meier
Hello Armin > Hello, is there an easy way wo find out when the last update occured > to an zfs filesystem, my goal is to only make a backup of a filesystem > when something has changed. At this time i make it in a command pipe > with "find ... | sort ... | head | awk" what takes a lot of time if >

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Last change in zfs filesystem

2012-09-25 Thread Armin Maier
Hello, is there an easy way wo find out when the last update occured to an zfs filesystem, my goal is to only make a backup of a filesystem when something has changed. At this time i make it in a command pipe with "find ... | sort ... | head | awk" what takes a lot of time if the filesystem hol