Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Migrating zones between OpenIndiana machines

2011-05-24 Thread Okky Hendriansyah
Hi Dave, What are the output of "zfs list" on both machines? I think you have to create the "myzone" ZFS dataset on machine 2 before attaching the zone to it. Regards, Okky Hendriansyah -Original Message- From: Dave Koelmeyer Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 06:03:41 To: Discussion list for Ope

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Migrating zones between OpenIndiana machines

2011-05-24 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
Hi, I'm having a hell of a time trying to simply migrate a zone from one OI machine to another, wondering if anyone can help. Both machines are running oi_147 I have configured and install a NGZ on machine 1, and wish to detach and install it on machine 2. I am following the guide here: http

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:54 AM, Allan Echavia Registos wrote: Kumusta Christopher: Mabuti, ikaw? On 5/25/2011 8:28 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:20 AM, Allan E. Registos wrote: +1. Be friendly to Linux users(me a Linux user), as these are the people that wi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Allan Echavia Registos
Kumusta Christopher: On 5/25/2011 8:28 AM, Christopher Chan wrote: On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:20 AM, Allan E. Registos wrote: +1. Be friendly to Linux users(me a Linux user), as these are the people that will often convert to BSD and Solaris/OI. I think most enterprise data centers nowaday

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool lost, and no pools available?

2011-05-24 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> > I just attended this HTC conference and had a chat with a guy from > > UiO (university of oslo) about ZFS. He claimed Solaris/OI will die > > silently if a single pool fails. I have seen similar earlier, then > > due to a bug in ZFS (two drives lost in a RAIDz2, spares taking > > over, resilver

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 08:20 AM, Allan E. Registos wrote: +1. Be friendly to Linux users(me a Linux user), as these are the people that will often convert to BSD and Solaris/OI. I think most enterprise data centers nowadays are a hive of heterogeneous technologies. I came from Linux ove

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Allan E. Registos
+1. Be friendly to Linux users(me a Linux user), as these are the people that will often convert to BSD and Solaris/OI. I think most enterprise data centers nowadays are a hive of heterogeneous technologies. Regards, Allan - Original Message - From: "Alasdair Lumsden" To: "Discus

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 03:41 AM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: One of the thought forms floating in the ethers is UNIX/Linux is difficult to use. Even people who have never used it, believe it. Months ago, I went to fix my car and decided to bring a book to kill time with while I waited. It just happ

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Allan E. Registos
> >From: "Ken Gunderson" >To: "Discussion list for OpenIndiana" >Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:16:40 PM >Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info? > >The presumption that something is the best based on distrowatch listing >is a fallacy. > Kenderson: For the record, I did not s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Blake
I'm glad we are discussing our appeal (or lack of it) to devs. I don't care so much about the specifics of how we stay sexy, just that we do it. If you work with developers who haven't grown up on Solaris, ask them to try it and see how they like it :) We can improve. Ok - back to work On

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Zpool 4k sectors - zfs send/recv

2011-05-24 Thread Matt Connolly
I'm about to expand my storage from 2 drives in a mirror to 4 drives (2 x mirrors concatenated). After this stage 3 of my 4 drives will be Advanced format drives, so I'm looking at the zpool with block-size 4096 (ashift=9). I will have the opportunity here to format the new drives using the 4096

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI meeting 24th May 2011 write up

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 23:56 +0100, Deano wrote: > Hi, > > > > This OI meeting was dominated by one topic 151 and the road to stable! My > write up /synopsis of the OI meeting is at > > > > http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi-meeting+24th+May+2011 > > > > Hope that is interesting and if an

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread David
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Presumably there's a balance with this, as with most things. > > But giving in is not without costs.  Making the quarterly look good often > leaves one out of position for the long haul. > > Maybe one could do both.  Use familiarity to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 18:50 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Presumably there's a balance with this, as with most things. > > But giving in is not without costs. Making the quarterly look good often > leaves one out of position for the long haul. Peter F. Drucker, widely acknowledged as the

[OpenIndiana-discuss] OI meeting 24th May 2011 write up

2011-05-24 Thread Deano
Hi, This OI meeting was dominated by one topic 151 and the road to stable! My write up /synopsis of the OI meeting is at http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi-meeting+24th+May+2011 Hope that is interesting and if anybody in the meeting notices any mistakes, let me know and I'll get them fix

[OpenIndiana-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3.2?

2011-05-24 Thread Gary
Has anyone compiled this under OI yet? Just curious if anyone has had any feedback on the process as I'm looking to move away from OpenOffice.org on a couple of platforms. thanks, Gary ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Presumably there's a balance with this, as with most things. But giving in is not without costs. Making the quarterly look good often leaves one out of position for the long haul. Maybe one could do both. Use familiarity tools, but _only_ as a temporary measure, while concurrently encouraging

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread David
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Blake wrote: > I certainly understand your point of view, Richard.  Unfortunately, fewer > developers nowadays understand systems, and that's not likely to improve. > > My point is more that tool choice in business is driven by opportunity cost > and the bottom lin

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Blake
I certainly understand your point of view, Richard. Unfortunately, fewer developers nowadays understand systems, and that's not likely to improve. My point is more that tool choice in business is driven by opportunity cost and the bottom line. If I have to spend an extra two weeks training devs

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On May 24, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Blake Irvin wrote: > As a longtime Solaris user I don't have to be convinced that it's better in > many ways than Linux. But there is a reality that I've been forced to > embrace - developers don't care. > > I'm in the process right now of helping a large develop

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
One of the thought forms floating in the ethers is UNIX/Linux is difficult to use. Even people who have never used it, believe it. Months ago, I went to fix my car and decided to bring a book to kill time with while I waited. It just happened to be a book on Linux. A mechanic saw me reading it and

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 00:22 +0600, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: > > I think Debian is a very nice Linux distro. > > Many OpenSolaris/OI users share this feeling - this is because > OpenSolaris has (kind of) inherited it's look and feel from Debian - > thanks to Ian Murdock. > > My personal favorit

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Open Indiana
Just a little insight on the behavior of human race that i experienced at home: I had a laptop with Windows XP Home with Office XP that crashed at one day. I had used the installer partition for something else, so I installed OpenSolaris instead. My family (wife and kids) cried several days that

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Albert Lee
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: >> I think Debian is a very nice Linux distro. > > Many OpenSolaris/OI users share this feeling - this is because OpenSolaris > has (kind of) inherited it's look and feel from Debian - thanks to Ian > Murdock. > Ian served mostly as a co

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool lost, and no pools available?

2011-05-24 Thread Albert Lee
man zpool /failmode -Albert On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > Hi all > > I just attended this HTC conference and had a chat with a guy from UiO > (university of oslo) about ZFS. He claimed Solaris/OI will die silently if a > single pool fails. I have seen similar

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
> I think Debian is a very nice Linux distro. Many OpenSolaris/OI users share this feeling - this is because OpenSolaris has (kind of) inherited it's look and feel from Debian - thanks to Ian Murdock. My personal favorite in Debian is System -> Administration -> Services. Nice and simple.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
> I could go on and list all the features I wish to see on a perfect > operating system, but I do not think that is what this thread was intended > for. Please list them :) I think that here is the appropriate place for a discussion on what the perfect operating system should be. We all want t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Failure while upgrading OpenIndiana

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 12:05 -0400, Gary Gendel wrote: > I tried to upgrade with the following command: > > pkg image-update --accept --be-name snv_151 --require-new-be > > but it got hung. I tried it several times with the same result: > > DOWNLOAD PKGS FI

[OpenIndiana-discuss] zpool lost, and no pools available?

2011-05-24 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Hi all I just attended this HTC conference and had a chat with a guy from UiO (university of oslo) about ZFS. He claimed Solaris/OI will die silently if a single pool fails. I have seen similar earlier, then due to a bug in ZFS (two drives lost in a RAIDz2, spares taking over, resilvering and t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Failure while upgrading OpenIndiana

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 12:05 -0400, Gary Gendel wrote: > I tried to upgrade with the following command: > > pkg image-update --accept --be-name snv_151 --require-new-be > > but it got hung. I tried it several times with the same result: > > DOWNLOAD PKGS FI

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 05/24/11 01:44 AM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > > At least 99.99% of all the distros ship with sudo installed, and yes, a > few make it easy, when creating a user account, to add it to the > administrative group (the wheel group). That, in my opinion, is how it > should be done. That is how we all u

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Blake Irvin
As a longtime Solaris user I don't have to be convinced that it's better in many ways than Linux. But there is a reality that I've been forced to embrace - developers don't care. I'm in the process right now of helping a large development team make the transition to a Solaris hosting solution.

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Failure while upgrading OpenIndiana

2011-05-24 Thread Gary Gendel
I tried to upgrade with the following command: pkg image-update --accept --be-name snv_151 --require-new-be but it got hung. I tried it several times with the same result: DOWNLOAD PKGS FILESXFER (MB) mail/thunderbird/plugin/thunderbir... 206/878 2

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 11:06 -0400, Dave Miner wrote: > On 05/24/11 08:54 AM, Gary Mills wrote: > > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 06:26:33AM -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote: > >> On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> Unix-like OS cover a wide range from OI to Os X to Solaris to Linux to BSD > to Linux and tbh I rather we chose the most portable version skill wise so > we can easily tempt people to try OI and hopefully enjoy and see what's > good about our favorite little bit of OS space. > > It's pretty obvi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Dave Miner
On 05/24/11 08:54 AM, Gary Mills wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 06:26:33AM -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: Hi All, I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, sudo vs pfexec. With all due respect, I think the technic

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Open Indiana
I haven't ever understood the term "SUDO". They told me it stands for "Super User DO", but if I searched the usergroups and usernames on the OS there was no SUPERUSER to find anywhere. There is basically only 1 admin or root account that can and may control the whole OS. The way the admin is trea

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Bayard Bell
Found some further background reading from security-discuss@ for anyone looking for further technical background info: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=98824 http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=98824&tstart=210 http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=98729&ts

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 13:33 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > On 24 May 2011, at 13:10, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > Especially when that distro is loosing respect from those who actually > > have a clue or two due to continued track record of bugs that result in > > very unreliable platform choice for

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Gary Mills
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 06:26:33AM -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, > > sudo vs pfexec. > > With all due respect, I think the technical signal is high enoug

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] powernow driver

2011-05-24 Thread 村川 了
Hi, Albert. I checked my cpu with kstat. But my cpu family is 15. Therefore I didn't use the built-in powernow function. This means I can't use PowerNow! function on OI. Is it right? Ryo On 2011/05/24, at 10:17, Albert Lee wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:29 PM, 村川 了 wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 24 May 2011, at 13:10, Ken Gunderson wrote: > Especially when that distro is loosing respect from those who actually > have a clue or two due to continued track record of bugs that result in > very unreliable platform choice for the server room. Inflammatory and arrogant comments like this are

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > Hi All, > > I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, sudo vs > pfexec. With all due respect, I think the technical signal is high enough to qualify as relevant discussion. > If you don't like sudo, you don't ha

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 16:29 +0800, Allan E. Registos wrote: > > > > >From: "LinuxBSDos.com" > > > >How many of those distros that are not based on Ubuntu can you name? > > > >Remember that we are talking about using sudo instead of the root account > >system, not just having sudo installed

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Gary Gendel
On 5/24/11 8:08 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 01:11 -0700, Gary Driggs wrote: On May 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, "LinuxBSDos.com" wrote: List as many as you can and I'll still be able to prove that "most of the distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu" is a statement of fact. Op

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 02:44 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > At least 99.99% of all the distros ship with sudo installed, and yes, a > few make it easy, when creating a user account, to add it to the > administrative group (the wheel group). That, in my opinion, is how it > should be done. That is ho

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 01:11 -0700, Gary Driggs wrote: > On May 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, "LinuxBSDos.com" wrote: > > > List as many as you can and I'll still be able to prove that "most of the > > distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu" is a statement of fact. > > OpenBSD ships with sudo and a r

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 17:28 +1000, Scott O'Brien wrote: > Ok, enough with the troll wars.. Who cares? It's be nice to not get spammed > with a million off-stopic e-mails imo > I find the discussion relevant and appropriate for the list at hand. If you don't please filter on topic and delete. T

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Deano
+1 Unix-like OS cover a wide range from OI to Os X to Solaris to Linux to BSD to Linux and tbh I rather we chose the most portable version skill wise so we can easily tempt people to try OI and hopefully enjoy and see what's good about our favorite little bit of OS space. It's pretty obvious that

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Matt Connolly
On 24 May 2011 18:21, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > Hi All, > > I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, sudo vs > pfexec. > If you don't like sudo, you don't have to use it. It's as simple as that. > > But bringing the default in-line with other modern-day Unixes such as Ma

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bad pool....

2011-05-24 Thread Jonathan Adams
hmm, thats a weird one ... the old drive does usually stay there until it's replaced ... you could just try removing both the disks from the mirror, then try re-adding the new one into the array. PS. If you don't care about the files that are damaged in the array, you can just "rm" them and then

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Bayard Bell
On 23 May 2011, at 22:29, Jeppe Toustrup wrote: > 2011/5/23 Ken Gunderson : >> On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 15:39 -0400, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: >>> Another related question - why have we stopped using pfexec and >>> started using sudo? I preferred RBAC... >> >> Have we? I've been testing 148b and ju

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bad pool....

2011-05-24 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
sure, two bacula backup files, I guess there isn't much to do about them, but how the hell can I fix the pool? replacing-5 DEGRADED 0 0 0 c4t6d0/oldOFFLINE 0 0 0 c4t6d0ONLINE 0 0 0 (resilvering) This

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bad pool....

2011-05-24 Thread Jonathan Adams
what do you get from a "zpool status -v"? do you know which files are corrupted? On 23 May 2011 19:27, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > Hi all > > I have a rather large pool that has been a bit troublesome. We've lost some > drives (WD Black), and though that should work out well, I now have a poo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
At least 99.99% of all the distros ship with sudo installed, and yes, a few make it easy, when creating a user account, to add it to the administrative group (the wheel group). That, in my opinion, is how it should be done. That is how we all used to do it. This might seem to be off topic, but I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi All, I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, sudo vs pfexec. If you don't like sudo, you don't have to use it. It's as simple as that. But bringing the default in-line with other modern-day Unixes such as MacOS and most of the major Linux distributions seems entirely

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Allan E. Registos
> >From: "LinuxBSDos.com" > >How many of those distros that are not based on Ubuntu can you name? > >Remember that we are talking about using sudo instead of the root account >system, not just having sudo installed as an application. > >List as many as you can and I'll still be able to p

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, May 24, 2011 04:11 PM, Gary Driggs wrote: On May 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, "LinuxBSDos.com" wrote: List as many as you can and I'll still be able to prove that "most of the distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu" is a statement of fact. OpenBSD ships with sudo and a root account

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Gary Driggs
On May 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, "LinuxBSDos.com" wrote: > List as many as you can and I'll still be able to prove that "most of the > distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu" is a statement of fact. OpenBSD ships with sudo and a root account accessible by anyone in the wheel group. Where does t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
How many of those distros that are not based on Ubuntu can you name? Remember that we are talking about using sudo instead of the root account system, not just having sudo installed as an application. List as many as you can and I'll still be able to prove that "most of the distros using sudo ar

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Scott O'Brien
Ok, enough with the troll wars.. Who cares? It's be nice to not get spammed with a million off-stopic e-mails imo On 24/05/2011, at 5:26 PM, Allan E. Registos wrote: > > - Original Message - >> From: "LinuxBSDos.com" >> To: "Discussion list for OpenIndiana" >> Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread Allan E. Registos
> > > - Original Message - >From: "LinuxBSDos.com" >To: "Discussion list for OpenIndiana" >Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:06:49 PM >Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info? > > > As an application, sudo pre-dates Ubuntu, but it is true that Ubuntu >started this madness of r

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Update info?

2011-05-24 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
As an application, sudo pre-dates Ubuntu, but it is true that Ubuntu started this madness of replacing the root account system with sudo. It is also true that most of the distros using sudo are derived from Ubuntu. As far as I know, Redhat has never used sudo, but sudo has been available as an ap