[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-05 Thread Samuel Klein
I don't know of an internal tool (wudele is only for simpler single-queation votes), but can set up a poll today. Something like: Q1: How should WOW vote on the movement charter? - Yes - No - No vote Q2: What comments should we leave? (We will combine + summarize as many points from members as we

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-05 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 5:42 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > The main change for the UG would perhaps be that it could become a tier > 2 or even tier 3 affiliate: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Supplementary_Document/Future_Affiliate_Landscape Yes, and a certain increased ab

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-04 Thread Stephane Coillet-Matillon
I agree broadly with your take SJ, we should make a short comment as to what could be more palatable, but this being said, how do we formally set the UG’s position one way or the other? Is there some internal voting tool we could use? > On 2 Jul 2024, at 22:16, Samuel Klein wrote: > > Thanks b

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-02 Thread Florence Devouard
You managed to sell the Charter so well Sj ;) On another note... to comment on Stephane's below... I also feel that the only real pressuring need that led to the work on this charter is decision over funding - about collecting the money (eg; having the right to fundraise), about spending the m

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
I have no opinion on whether the UG should vote yes or no, because it's not clear which vote is more likely to produce changes. A resounding no either from the community or from affiliates may just lead WMF to cancel the entire thing. The WMF BoT's current proposals are based on the premise tha

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-02 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks both for these thoughts! I also don't want to "just" say yes or no, but those are the options. We can leave a detailed comment about what we actually want to see. Maybe we draft that collaboratively? Stephane writes: > TL;DR: too complicated; structurally unable to address any type of ch

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-02 Thread Stephane Coillet-Matillon
Ok, I’ll bite (I’m in a bit of a rush so apologies in advance if the tone seems curt. Not the intent, but emails often come out as such) My first concern is that I still don’t know what the exact problem is that this charter is trying to solve. If it is to restore some balance between Chapters/

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-02 Thread Florence Devouard
Nevertheless want to insist on the fact I am not sold. So if others feel unconfortable, prefer for us to abstain or vote against... I am totally fine with that. Said differently... count me rather in the "undecided - depends on the hour of the day" Flo Le 02/07/2024 à 00:47, Florence Devoua

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-07-01 Thread Florence Devouard
I am going to try to put things into perspective. I do like any of the two options. I am not fan of the proposition. For all the reasons already mentionned. I also think that if it were adopted, it would take several years before getting implemented, and it would certainly be amended. I see a l

[Offline-l] Re: Movement charter ratification process

2024-06-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Well, the two WMF Board liaisons to the committee have suggested that the Board not ratify it. WMDE and Wikimedia CEE have said they would vote for it. Others (like JMabel's thoughts I posted in the other thread) have also shared their takes. In general many concerns raised on this list a month a