Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-19 Thread Justin Richer
this once." *From:* Torsten Lodderstedt [tors...@lodderstedt.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:26 PM *To:* Paul Madsen *Cc:* oauth-boun...@ietf.org; Richer, Justin P.; OAuth WG *Subject:* Re: AW: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expir

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-18 Thread Paul Madsen
tedt [tors...@lodderstedt.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:26 PM *To:* Paul Madsen *Cc:* oauth-boun...@ietf.org; Richer, Justin P.; OAuth WG *Subject:* Re: AW: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Hi Paul, that's not what I meant. The Client should know which tokens shou

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Madsen Cc: oauth-boun...@ietf.org; Richer, Justin P.; OAuth WG Subject: Re: AW: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Hi Paul, that's not what I meant. The Client should know which tokens should be one time usage based on the API description. The authz server must not re

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread William Mills
; OAuth WG Subject: Re: AW: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Hi Paul, that's not what I meant. The Client should know which tokens should be one time usage based on the API description. The authz server must not return expires_in because this would not make any sen

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Richer, Justin P.
To: William Mills Cc: OAuth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in scope sometimes feels like SAML authncontext - anything can go in there :-) as I said to Torsten, perhaps an extension is overkill. Just looking for a best practice On 1/17/12 12:00 PM, William Mills

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Richer, Justin P.
2:26 PM To: Paul Madsen Cc: oauth-boun...@ietf.org; Richer, Justin P.; OAuth WG Subject: Re: AW: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Hi Paul, that's not what I meant. The Client should know which tokens should be one time usage based on the API description. The authz

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Madsen
. *From:* Paul Madsen *To:* "Richer, Justin P." *Cc:* OAuth WG *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Separate from the question posed here, we

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Madsen
al Message- From: Paul Madsen Sender:oauth-boun...@ietf.org Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:23:37 To: Richer, Justin P. Cc: OAuth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in ___ OAuth mailing list OAut

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
on specify? regards, Torsten. Gesendet mit BlackBerry® Webmail von Telekom Deutschland -Original Message- From: Paul Madsen Sender: oauth-boun...@ietf.org Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:23:37 To: Richer, Justin P. Cc: OAuth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Richer, Justin P.
anuary 17, 2012 12:00 PM To: Paul Madsen; Richer, Justin P. Cc: OAuth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Does this require an extension? That seems something easy to overload on scope. From: Paul Madsen To: "Richer, Just

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread William Mills
Does this require an extension?  That seems something easy to overload on scope. From: Paul Madsen To: "Richer, Justin P." Cc: OAuth WG Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread William Mills
Jones To: Eran Hammer ; Aaron Parecki ; OAuth WG Cc: wolter.eldering Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Your new wording is better, as it doesn’t conflict with the possibility of the expiration time bei

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Madsen
What would such an extension specify? regards, Torsten. Gesendet mit BlackBerry® Webmail von Telekom Deutschland -Original Message- From: Paul Madsen Sender: oauth-boun...@ietf.org Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:23:37 To: Richer, Justin P. Cc: OAuth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Res

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Richer, Justin P.
AM To: Mike Jones Cc: wolter.eldering; OAuth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in I am OK with that. The expiration time in the token is intended for the protected resource. The client inspecting the token is a potential optimization in cases where the JWT is not encryp

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Madsen
Separate from the question posed here, we are seeing customer demand for one-time semantics, but agree with Justin that this would best belong in a dedicated extension parameter and not the default paul On 1/16/12 10:29 PM, Richer, Justin P. wrote: I think #3. #1 will be a common instance, a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread John Bradley
-- Mike > > From: Eran Hammer [mailto:e...@hueniverse.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:30 AM > To: Mike Jones; Aaron Parecki; OAuth WG > Cc: wolter.eldering > Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in > > This is clearly not a solution as a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Mike Jones
Parecki; OAuth WG Cc: wolter.eldering Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in This is clearly not a solution as actual implementation feedback raised this issue. We have to document the meaning of this parameter missing. Also, the example of a self-contained token does not

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Eran Hammer
: wolter.eldering Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in This doesn’t work for me, as it doesn’t mesh well with the case of the token containing the expiration time. For instance, both SAML and JWT tokens can contain expiration times. In this case, the expires_in time is

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-17 Thread Mike Jones
WG] Access Token Response without expires_in WFM. From: Aaron Parecki [mailto:aa...@parecki.com]<mailto:[mailto:aa...@parecki.com]> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:08 PM To: OAuth WG Cc: Eran Hammer; Richer, Justin P.; wolter.eldering Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-16 Thread Eran Hammer
WFM. From: Aaron Parecki [mailto:aa...@parecki.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:08 PM To: OAuth WG Cc: Eran Hammer; Richer, Justin P.; wolter.eldering Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in Actually now I'm having second thoughts about making expir

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-16 Thread Aaron Parecki
day, January 16, 2012 10:36 PM > *To:* OAuth WG > *Cc:* Richer, Justin P.; wolter.eldering; Eran Hammer > > *Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in > > ** ** > > That seems like a good idea, but then it should also be explicitly stated > what to do

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-16 Thread Eran Hammer
anging expires_in from OPTIONAL to RECOMMENDED? EHL > -Original Message- > From: Richer, Justin P. [mailto:jric...@mitre.org<mailto:jric...@mitre.org>] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:29 PM > To: Eran Hammer > Cc: OAuth WG; wolter.eldering > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG]

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-16 Thread Aaron Parecki
> -Original Message- > > From: Richer, Justin P. [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] > > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:29 PM > > To: Eran Hammer > > Cc: OAuth WG; wolter.eldering > > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in > > > >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-16 Thread Eran Hammer
How do you feel about changing expires_in from OPTIONAL to RECOMMENDED? EHL > -Original Message- > From: Richer, Justin P. [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:29 PM > To: Eran Hammer > Cc: OAuth WG; wolter.eldering > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Acc

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-16 Thread Richer, Justin P.
I think #3. #1 will be a common instance, and #2 (or its variant, a limited number of uses) is a different expiration pattern than time that would want to have its own expiration parameter name. I haven't seen enough concrete use of this pattern to warrant its own extension though. Which is w

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Access Token Response without expires_in

2012-01-16 Thread Eran Hammer
expires_in OPTIONAL. The lifetime in seconds of the access token. For example, the value 3600 denotes that the access token will expire in one hour from the time the response was generated. The authorization server SHOULD