Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-09-04 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
Richer, Justin P. [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:56 AM > To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; Lu, Hui-Lan (Huilan); Brian Campbell > Cc: oauth > Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and > identification > > I find the or

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-08-19 Thread Richer, Justin P.
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification > -Original Message- > From: Lu, Hui-Lan (Huilan) [mailto:huilan...@alcatel-lucent.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:45 PM > To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; Brian Campbell > Cc: oauth > Subj

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-08-18 Thread Lu, Hui-Lan (Huilan)
> Cc: oauth > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and > identification > > > > It is difficult to parse the last sentence of 3.2.1: "The security > > > ramifications of > > > allowing unauthenticated access by public clients to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-08-18 Thread Lu, Hui-Lan (Huilan)
> > It is difficult to parse the last sentence of 3.2.1: "The security > > ramifications of > > allowing unauthenticated access by public clients to the token endpoint > > MUST be considered, as well as the issuance of refresh tokens to public > > clients, their scope, and lifetime." > > > > I thi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-08-18 Thread Brian Campbell
FWIW, I was okay with the text EHL had originally proposed for 21. >> > client_secret >> >                 REQUIRED. The client secret. The client MAY omit the >> > parameter if the client secret >> >                 is an empty string. >> >> I would suggest rewording the above as follows: >> clie

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-08-18 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> -Original Message- > From: Lu, Hui-Lan (Huilan) [mailto:huilan...@alcatel-lucent.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:45 PM > To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; Brian Campbell > Cc: oauth > Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and > identifica

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-08-18 Thread Lu, Hui-Lan (Huilan)
Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > Added to 2.4.1: > > client_secret > REQUIRED. The client secret. The client MAY omit the > parameter if the > client secret > is an empty string. I would suggest rewording the above as follows: client_secret REQUIRED unless it i

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-08-14 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and > identification > > I would be very much in favor of that addition/clarification. > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav > wrote: > > > > [...] and I can also add a short

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-28 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
..@hueniverse.com>>, oauth mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification +1 Am 28.07.2011 15:10, schrieb Brian Campbell: I would be very much in favor of that addition/clarification. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:20 A

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-28 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
+1 Am 28.07.2011 15:10, schrieb Brian Campbell: I would be very much in favor of that addition/clarification. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: [...] and I can also add a short note that public clients may use the client_id for the purpose of identification with the to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-28 Thread Brian Campbell
I would be very much in favor of that addition/clarification. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > > [...] and I can also add a short note that public clients may use > the client_id for the purpose of identification with the token endpoint. > EHL >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-28 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
bject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification the client_id parameter had been added to the token endpoint in -16. As far as I remember, the reason was to properly separate client identification and authentication in order to support further client authenti

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-28 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
tors...@lodderstedt.net>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:21:16 -0700 To: Brian Campbell <mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com>> Cc: Eran Hammer-lahav <mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>>, oauth <mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authent

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
g>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification I think that would be helpful, thanks. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>> wrote: If you want, we can tweak section 2.4.1 to make client_secret

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
Eran Hammer-lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>>, oauth mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification I personally think that would be more confusing than just adding the client_id parameter to the token endpoint request (independe

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
I personally think that would be more confusing than just adding the client_id parameter to the token endpoint request (independent of client authentication credentials). Am 27.07.2011 18:17, schrieb Brian Campbell: I think that would be helpful, thanks. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Era

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Brian Campbell
I think that would be helpful, thanks. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > > If you want, we can tweak section 2.4.1 to make client_secret optional if > the secret is the empty string. That will give you exactly what you want > without making the document any more confus

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
From: Torsten Lodderstedt mailto:tors...@lodderstedt.net>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:38:36 -0700 To: Eran Hammer-lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>> Cc: Brian Campbell mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com>>, oauth mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
dt <mailto:tors...@lodderstedt.net>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:38:36 -0700 To: Eran Hammer-lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>> Cc: Brian Campbell <mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com>>, oauth <mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authenticati

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Brian Campbell
a > client there must be a way to relate this token to a certain client in order > to give the user a chance to revoke this specific token. > > regards, > Torsten. > > > Hope this helps. > EHL > > From: Brian Campbell > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:32:42 -0700

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
27 Jul 2011 10:38:36 -0700 To: Eran Hammer-lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>> Cc: Brian Campbell mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com>>, oauth mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification Am 27.07.2011 12:08, schrie

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
To: Eran Hammer-lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>> Cc: oauth mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification I'm probably somewhat biased by having read previous version of t

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
lto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:32:42 -0700 To: Eran Hammer-lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>> Cc: oauth mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification Okay, looking at some of those drafts ag

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-27 Thread Brian Campbell
the token endpoint. > I think the current text is sufficient, but if you want to provide specific > additions I'm open to it. > EHL > From: Brian Campbell > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:16:21 -0700 > To: Eran Hammer-lahav > Cc: oauth > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] tre

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-26 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
r-lahav mailto:e...@hueniverse.com>> Cc: oauth mailto:oauth@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification I'm probably somewhat biased by having read previous version of the spec, previous WG list discussions, and my current AS implementat

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-26 Thread Brian Campbell
I'm probably somewhat biased by having read previous version of the spec, previous WG list discussions, and my current AS implementation (which expects client_id) but this seems like a fairly big departure from what was in -16. I'm okay with the change but feel it's wroth mentioning that it's like

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-25 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
> -Original Message- > From: Brian Campbell [mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:39 AM > To: Eran Hammer-Lahav > Cc: oauth > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and > identification > > I'm as

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-25 Thread Brian Campbell
- >> From: Brian Campbell [mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com] >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:28 AM >> To: Eran Hammer-Lahav >> Cc: oauth >> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and >> identification >> >> How should HTTP

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-25 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
onday, July 25, 2011 9:28 AM > To: Eran Hammer-Lahav > Cc: oauth > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and > identification > > How should HTTP Basic be used for a client not in possession of a client > secret? > > > > On Mon, Jul 2

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-25 Thread Brian Campbell
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:02 AM >> To: oauth >> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and >> identification >> >> I need to revisit a question that came up about two months ago.  I thought I >> had a clear understanding of wh

Re: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-25 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
nal Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Brian Campbell > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:02 AM > To: oauth > Subject: [OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and > identification > > I need to revisit a question th

[OAUTH-WG] treatment of client_id for authentication and identification

2011-07-25 Thread Brian Campbell
I need to revisit a question that came up about two months ago. I thought I had a clear understanding of when client_id was and wasn't included in access token requests but drafts 18/19 seemed to have changed things (or my understanding of 16 was wrong). The question is, when is client_id a requi