Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-23 Thread John Bradley
Eve, A number of us want to hold a session on the Tuesday of IIW to discuss the various options, that people have built. UMA is one of the more advanced ones, but we also have Ping, MITRE, AOL, and others. There is a fair amount of overlap between them. If the AS RS work is not included in t

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-22 Thread Eve Maler
Once again, you may want to look at the UMA core I-D to see how it defines an AS/RS interface: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardjono-oauth-umacore-04 (see particularly Section 3.3) It uses what is by now a very common token introspection pattern to have the RS get the AS's crucial help in v

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-19 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Hi Justin, In my opinion, the OpenID Connect introspection/checkid endpoint is a convenience function for clients (not resource servers) unable to decrypt id tokens and validate their signatures. I'm not convinced this function is needed, that's why I proposed to drop it. The AS-PR endpoint

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-19 Thread John Bradley
Some of the use cases I have discussed with people also involve returning SAML tokens in the response for dealing with some existing systems. In principal if the RS is authenticated to the AS (perhaps with OAuth) then the correct response format RS can be provided. We need to decide what p

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-18 Thread Justin Richer
I think we might be crossing wires about input to the token introspection endpoint vs. output from it. In OpenID Connect, you send a JWT in, and get back a JSON object that represents the Claims bit of the JWT. In our implementation (and I think both Ping and AOL's), you send in an arbitrary

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-18 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Hi Justin, I refered to the data format used at the AS-PR interface. According to your description, you use JSON objects there. What data does such an object contain? Is this any different from a JSON Web Token (leaving aside digital signatures and encryption)? regards, Torsten. Am 18.04.20

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-18 Thread Justin Richer
Not all implementations in the field that do this are using JWTs as the tokens. Ours in particular used a random blob with no structured information in it. The endpoint returned a JSON object. -- Justin On 04/18/2012 03:53 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: Hi all, is there enough experience in

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-18 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Hi all, is there enough experience in the field with such an interface to standardize it? I would expect such an endpoint to return the same payload, which is carried in a JSON Web Token. So once we designed the JSON Web Tokens content, designing the AS-PR interface could be the next logical

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-16 Thread Justin Richer
OK, but with SWD and discovery off the table, can this now be considered to be within that manageable number instead? We wanted to keep the # of WG items to approximately 5. Once we finish some of these items and get them off our plate we could roll new items onto the plate, theoretically.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-16 Thread Derek Atkins
Justin Richer writes: > OK, but with SWD and discovery off the table, can this now be > considered to be within that manageable number instead? We wanted to keep the # of WG items to approximately 5. Once we finish some of these items and get them off our plate we could roll new items onto the

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Campbell
The Ping doc was sent a while back on a different thread about re-charting: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/oauth/current/msg08607.html I should probably have my people (aka Paul) submit it as an actual I-D? On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 8:25 AM, John Bradley wrote: > There is a Ping document.  I

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-14 Thread John Bradley
There is a Ping document. I was talking to openAM/ForgeRock today about a similar endpoint they are working on. Justin can submit his and I will look for the others. John B. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-04-14, at 2:28 PM, "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" wrote: > > OK, but smime

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-14 Thread Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
: Mike Jones Cc: oauth@ietf.org WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend) OK, but with SWD and discovery off the table, can this now be considered to be within that manageable number instead? -- Justin On 04/13/2012 01:10 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Yes, there was

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-13 Thread Justin Richer
rg WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend) Did the "Introspection Endpoint" or "Methods for connecting a PR to an AS" get dropped? There seemed to be interest in the list in coming up with a generally applicable scheme, or set of schemes, to do this, a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-13 Thread Mike Jones
-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin Richer Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:02 AM To: Hannes Tschofenig Cc: oauth@ietf.org WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend) Did the "Introspection Endpoint" or "Methods for connecting a PR to an AS" get dr

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-13 Thread Justin Richer
Did the "Introspection Endpoint" or "Methods for connecting a PR to an AS" get dropped? There seemed to be interest in the list in coming up with a generally applicable scheme, or set of schemes, to do this, and there are certainly no shortage of starting points. Both AOL and Ping have their ow

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-12 Thread Mike Jones
/. -- Mike -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Igor Faynberg Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:58 AM To: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend) Hannes, I

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-12 Thread Igor Faynberg
Hannes, I took a look (a bit longer than just "quick"), and what I see completely coincides with my understanding of the result of the discussions. Good job! Igor On 4/12/2012 6:55 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hey guys based on the discussion before, during, and after the Paris IETF meetin

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-12 Thread Paul Madsen
Hi Hannes, do you mean 'discover relevant OAuth endpoints *for* a resource server'? ie instead of discovering the RS itself? On 4/12/12 6:55 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hey guys based on the discussion before, during, and after the Paris IETF meeting I am going to send the following updated

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-12 Thread Eran Hammer
With the exception of SWD which is still being discussed, this looks good. EH On Apr 12, 2012, at 6:55, "Hannes Tschofenig" wrote: > Hey guys > > based on the discussion before, during, and after the Paris IETF meeting I am > going to send the following updated charter / milestones to the IE

[OAUTH-WG] Updated Charter to the IESG (this weekend)

2012-04-12 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hey guys based on the discussion before, during, and after the Paris IETF meeting I am going to send the following updated charter / milestones to the IESG. Please have a quick look (till the end of the week) to double-check the content (particularly the suggested milestone dates): --