[OAUTH-WG] Call for adoption: OAuth Security Topics

2017-02-01 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi all, this is the call for adoption of the 'OAuth Security Topics' document following the positive call for adoption at the last IETF meeting in Seoul. Here is the document: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lodderstedt-oauth-security-topics-00 The intention with this document is to have a pla

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Manger, James
> You can call me lazy if you want. Some of them are so well known, such as > "password" or "PIN" it didn't seem worthwhile to try to track down a > reference. "password" and "PIN" are so well known, yet curiously they are quite different as "amr" values. "pwd" is merely defined as "password-

[OAUTH-WG] OAuth for institutional users

2017-02-01 Thread Yunqi Zhang
Hi all, I'm working on a set of API endpoints to allow institutions to manage their users and records, and their users to read their own records. Specifically, each institution will get a {client_id} and a {secret} after registering with us, which allows them to create users under its institution

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/02/17 00:35, Mike Jones wrote: > You can call me lazy if you want. I don't think you're lazy:-) Were I to guess I'd guess that interop for these wasn't a priority and that we're defining them a bit early and a little too generically. > Some of them are so well known, > such as "password"

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Jones
You can call me lazy if you want. Some of them are so well known, such as "password" or "PIN" it didn't seem worthwhile to try to track down a reference. But I'm willing to work with others to find decent references for the rest of them, if you believe that would improve the quality of the spe

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/02/17 00:28, Mike Jones wrote: > The other case of known interop testing of "amr" values is for MODRNA > (OpenID Connect Mobile Profile) implementations. There's a reference > to its use of "amr" values in the spec. Yeah, iirc, that one seemed ok (assuming the reference tells me what code

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Jones
The other case of known interop testing of "amr" values is for MODRNA (OpenID Connect Mobile Profile) implementations. There's a reference to its use of "amr" values in the spec. -Original Message- From: Anthony Nadalin Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:27 PM To: Stephen Farrell ; Mi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Anthony Nadalin
We have interoped between FIDO authenticators vendors and Windows Hello -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:24 PM To: Mike Jones ; Anthony Nadalin ; joel jaeggli ; The IESG Cc: oauth-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Decentralized OAuth2.0 -- FW: New Version Notification for draft-hardjono-oauth-decentralized-00.txt

2017-02-01 Thread Aaron Parecki
The introduction sounds great, especially acknowledging the problems due to "the predominance of the web single sign-on model as the basis for the user interaction"... but is there a summary of what this actually describes? I see a lot of boilerplate text, and defining some new terms, but I don't a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/02/17 00:21, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks, Tony. I can add that reference. > > Stephen, the sets of initial values were chosen from those used in > practice by Microsoft and Google in real deployments. Genuine questions: do you aim to have interop between those deployments? What if I wante

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Jones
Thanks, Tony. I can add that reference. Stephen, the sets of initial values were chosen from those used in practice by Microsoft and Google in real deployments. About "otp", there are existing use cases for indicating that an OTP was used. I'm not aware of any of these use cases where the dis

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Anthony Nadalin
The code point is that Windows Hello protocol supports three types of biometric authentication: fingerprint, face and iris, we need to distinguish between eye, retina and iris. There are windows devices that do retina also, like windows phones, we have now gone to iris after the NIST testing and

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Tony, On 02/02/17 00:10, Anthony Nadalin wrote: > NIST asked for the addition of IRIS (as they are seeing more use of > IRIS over retina due to the accuracy of iris) as they have been > doing significant testing on various iris devices and continue to do > so, here is a report that NIST relea

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Anthony Nadalin
NIST asked for the addition of IRIS (as they are seeing more use of IRIS over retina due to the accuracy of iris) as they have been doing significant testing on various iris devices and continue to do so, here is a report that NIST released http://2010-2014.commerce.gov/blog/2012/04/23/nist-ir

[OAUTH-WG] Decentralized OAuth2.0 -- FW: New Version Notification for draft-hardjono-oauth-decentralized-00.txt

2017-02-01 Thread Thomas Hardjono
Folks, This may be of interest. Its forward-looking, I know. Appreciate any comments on the draft. Best. /thomas/ From: internet-dra...@ietf.org [internet-dra...@ietf.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 6:39 PM To: Thomas Hardjono Subject: New Vers

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, On 01/02/17 17:00, Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for the discussion, Stephen. > > To your point about "otp", the working group discussed this very > point. They explicitly decided not to introduce "hotp" and "totp" > identifiers because no one had a use case in which the distinction > mat

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Jones
Thanks for the discussion, Stephen. To your point about "otp", the working group discussed this very point. They explicitly decided not to introduce "hotp" and "totp" identifiers because no one had a use case in which the distinction mattered. Others can certainly introduce those identifiers

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 01/02/17 14:58, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 1/31/17 8:26 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included i

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/31/17 8:26 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >