Re: [OAUTH-WG] HOTK/POP and id_tokens

2014-05-15 Thread John Bradley
The key for pop via the browser is different than the one between the client and the RS. The key representation is likely to be the same but presentment will likely be different. This WG is focusing on OAuth tokens and assertion flows. Getting a id_token with HoK for use in an assertion flo

[OAUTH-WG] HOTK/POP and id_tokens

2014-05-15 Thread Lewis Adam-CAL022
Hi, Does the WG plan to include OIDC id_tokens within the scope of the HOTK/POP work? I've scanned through all of the existing HOTK/POP drafts and none make any reference to id_tokens. Is this effort going to be scoped strictly to access tokens? I am at a cross road right now where I'm consi

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AC4 and what does it solve?

2014-05-15 Thread Thomas Hardjono
Thanks Phil & Mike, Would it possible to write this as a separate "profile" of Connect and/or UMA? The reason I ask is because a somewhat standalone document could be useful in other deployment scenarios, such as an Enterprise use-case, where some minimal OAuth2.0 "awareness" exists. In this ca

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AC4 and what does it solve?

2014-05-15 Thread Bill Mills
The "re-auth" problem is an interesting one, the question of how does the client know if the user new authentication matches the previous one for something like mailbox access?  What happens if the end user doesn't auth as the same user?  If you really need this I think Connect solves this well,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AC4 and what does it solve?

2014-05-15 Thread Mike Jones
The "acr" claim (authentication context class reference) and the "acr_values" request parameter are explicitly modelled on the SAML authentication context work, but without the more complicated parts that didn't work out well in practice. In this case, the request is just an ordered list of req

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AC4 and what does it solve?

2014-05-15 Thread Phil Hunt
Thomas, The intent was to be compatible with Connect (by request) but to solve only the authentication issue. That would explain the overlap with UMA. The issue (or bug?) we face is that OAuth Clients who continue to use 6749 alone, aren’t really authenticating users. More importantly there i

[OAUTH-WG] Client authentication and assertion grants

2014-05-15 Thread Sergey Beryozkin
Hi I'm reviewing the way client authentication is expected to be done when either SAML or JWT bearer assertion is used as a grant [1] which corresponds to the case described in [2]. [1] says: "Authentication of the client is optional...". Can someone please clarify how it can be optional giv

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AC4 and what does it solve?

2014-05-15 Thread Thomas Hardjono
Phil, I also just read draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-02. This proposal sounds awfully close to what UMA is doing for consent management. The Resource Owner (RO) in UMA has the option to set access control policy (including expected the authentication LOA of the user/client). The RO also has the o

[OAUTH-WG] AC4 and what does it solve?

2014-05-15 Thread Bill Mills
I'm reading the AC4 draft and I want to understand the problems it's actually trying to solve, which isn't as clear as it could be in the prose.  It looks like it's extending OAuth to: 1) Allowing the client to specify a desired authentication level. 2) Giving the client an opaque identifier to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Milestone Update and Rechartering

2014-05-15 Thread Brian Campbell
"We're still dealing with ws-federation passive profile in saml dominated world. The oauth working group shouldn't repeat that sin." Well said, Chuck, I couldn't agree more. The world doesn't need two different OAuth-like SSO protocols and all the confusion and interoperability problems that wou

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Milestone Update and Rechartering

2014-05-15 Thread Brian Campbell
"I had personally requested the OIDC community about six months ago to describe some minimal subset which we could all reasonably implement. I was told that the specification was "locked down" and fully debugged and so on, so no changes could be made. Imagine my surprise to find that in the final

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Milestone Update and Rechartering

2014-05-15 Thread Anthony Nadalin
Where is the confusion ? From: OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Bradley Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 10:59 AM To: Brian Campbell Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Milestone Update and Rechartering I know a number of people implementing http://tools.ietf.or