Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-07 Thread Nick Holford
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Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-06 Thread J.H. Proost
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RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-04 Thread Standing Joseph (GREAT ORMOND STREET HOSPITAL FOR CHILDREN NHS FOUNDATION TRUST)
;Nick Holford'; 'nmusers' Subject: RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate Dear Joe, You bring a new covariate, age, in the discussion. Welcome! This also introduces a new complexity: the correlation between age and weight. But again, the approach advoca

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-04 Thread Nick Holford
s...@globomaxnm.com [mailto:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com] Namens Matt Hutmacher Verzonden: September 3, 2013 7:00 PM Aan: 'Nick Holford'; 'nmusers' Onderwerp: RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate Hello Nick, Hans Thanks for the replies an

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-04 Thread J.H.Proost
or healthy volunteers and obese patients? And if the drug > works, should at what point should we treat the obese patients as healthy > volunteers - or would just using WT and CLCR take care of it?. > > Best regards, > Matt > > -Original Message- > From: owner-

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-04 Thread J.H.Proost
--Original Message- > From: owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com [mailto:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com] > On > Behalf Of Nick Holford > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:16 > To: 'nmusers' > Subject: Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a > covariat

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-04 Thread Eleveld, DJ
.@globomaxnm.com] Namens Matt Hutmacher Verzonden: September 3, 2013 7:00 PM Aan: 'Nick Holford'; 'nmusers' Onderwerp: RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate Hello Nick, Hans Thanks for the replies and sorry for being so vague. I wanted t

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-04 Thread Standing Joseph (GREAT ORMOND STREET HOSPITAL FOR CHILDREN NHS FOUNDATION TRUST)
Behalf Of Matt Hutmacher [matt.hutmac...@a2pg.com] Sent: 03 September 2013 18:00 To: 'Nick Holford'; 'nmusers' Subject: RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate Hello Nick, Hans Thanks for the replies and sorry for being so vague. I wanted to get

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-03 Thread Matt Hutmacher
.@globomaxnm.com] On Behalf Of Nick Holford Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:16 To: 'nmusers' Subject: Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate Matt, Thanks for your interest in this question. Hans and I have differing approaches for including 'renal

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-02 Thread Nick Holford
Matt, Thanks for your interest in this question. Hans and I have differing approaches for including 'renal function' but I think we agree on 'size'. Our differences of approach to 'renal function' are not very important for those who understand the biology and pharmacology. But its different

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate and renal function as a covariate

2013-09-02 Thread J.H. Proost
Dear Matt, I'm not quite sure that I fully understand your question. I would say that a changing renal function and a changing weight over time can be handled as described earlier by Nick Holford, or by the modified approach I suggested. An important point is how to express renal function. Ni

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-28 Thread Alison Boeckmann
Nick, Thanks for the suggestions. Stuart supplied another example in NONMEM Uses Guide VI (PREDPP) p. 57: A value of 2 indicates that the event is neither an observation nor dose event. The corresponding event is referred to as an other-type event. Examples of other-type events are: the time a

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-28 Thread Nick Holford
Alison, I think the problem with the on-line help arose because a relatively inexperienced nmuser was searching through the help to find some clues on what to do. The use of the "physiological variable changes" expression to describe an EVID=2 event seems to have been interpreted as somethin

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-28 Thread Mats Karlsson
Alison Boeckmann Sent: 27 August 2013 22:46 To: siwei Dai; ajbf Cc: nmusers@globomaxnm.com Subject: Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate There have been a number of interesting comments. The original issue has to do with the way this is described in on-line help for EVID. Would it be more clear if thi

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-27 Thread Alison Boeckmann
There have been a number of interesting comments. The original issue has to do with the way this is described in on-line help for EVID. Would it be more clear if this said: a physiological variable changes (and this is at a different time than any observation or dose event). Or can someone s

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-26 Thread Mats Karlsson
rch/researchgroups/pharmacometrics/> www.farmbio.uu.se/research/researchgroups/pharmacometrics/ From: owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com [mailto:owner-nmus...@globomaxnm.com] On Behalf Of siwei Dai Sent: 26 August 2013 18:13 To: nmusers@globomaxnm.com Subject: Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-26 Thread siwei Dai
Hi, Sebastien, Bill, Nick, Leonid, Mats and Hans: Thank you all very much for the suggestions and nice discussions. I enjoyed to learn from this thread and I am very clear how this should be handled now. I believe this thread also provided a nice record for other new folks like me to learn from.

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-26 Thread J.H. Proost
Dear Nick, In your reply to Siwei, you proposed the following code: $PK ; CL=(CLnon-renal*f(age) + CLrenal*f(renal_function)) * allometric WT CL=(THETA(1)*EXP(THETA(2)*(AGE-40)) + THETA(3)*CLCR/100)*(WT/70)**0.75 I would like to make a comment on the coding of the renal function. If CLCR is

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-25 Thread mats karlsson
gt; Leonid > Original email: > - > From: Mats Karlsson mats.karls...@farmbio.uu.se > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:02:00 +0200 > To: william.s.den...@pfizer.com, ellen.siwei...@gmail.com, > nmusers@globomaxnm.com > Subject: RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate > > > Dear

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-24 Thread lgibian...@quantpharm.com
...@gmail.com, nmusers@globomaxnm.com Subject: RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate Dear Bill and Siwei, Although the thought in Bill's reply is right, I think there is an error in the code. NONMEM by default uses the present values to update from the previous time. Further, it is possible

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-24 Thread Mats Karlsson
obomaxnm.com] On Behalf Of Denney, William S. Sent: 23 August 2013 20:09 To: siwei Dai; nmusers@globomaxnm.com Subject: RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate Hi Siwei, If you are using an algebraic model (i.e. no differential equations), then you can simply include it in your equation: e.g. assu

RE: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-23 Thread Denney, William S.
Hi Siwei, If you are using an algebraic model (i.e. no differential equations), then you can simply include it in your equation: e.g. assuming that SBP is systolic blood pressure in your original data set: EFF=THETA(1)+SBP*THETA(2) If you have a differential equation model and you want the tim

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-23 Thread siwei Dai
Hi, Nick: Thank you for the response. I meant to say EVID = 2 but not '4', my mistake. In the user guide, it says: 2Other-type event. The DV data item is ignored. Dose-related data items must be zero. Examples of other-type events are: A compartment is turned on or off

Re: [NMusers] Time-varing covariate

2013-08-23 Thread Nick Holford
Siwei, I don't know why you think this complicated. Suppose you have age (AGE) as a covariate. This must of course be a time varying covariate if it is intended to be the current age. And you might have weight (WT) or creatinine clearance (CLCR) as covariates which typically change with time.