Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-27 Thread John W. Linville
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:24:37PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 11:53 -0500, John W. Linville wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 11:28:05PM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:48 -0800, Jouni Malinen wrote: > > > > > > > Is battery use more important th

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 11:53 -0500, John W. Linville wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 11:28:05PM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:48 -0800, Jouni Malinen wrote: > > > > > Is battery use more important than accuracy of results and the amount of > > > time needed to perform th

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-27 Thread John W. Linville
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 11:28:05PM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:48 -0800, Jouni Malinen wrote: > > > Is battery use more important than accuracy of results and the amount of > > time needed to perform the operation? > > You're going to be using *more* battery when doing

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Johannes Berg
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:48 -0800, Jouni Malinen wrote: > Is battery use more important than accuracy of results and the amount of > time needed to perform the operation? You're going to be using *more* battery when doing a passive scan because the dwell time is much much larger, and you can't po

Re: Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Jean Tourrilhes
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 03:38:50PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 12:12 -0800, Jean Tourrilhes wrote: > > Jouni Malinen wrote : > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:16:04PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > > > That's why wireless-tools and Wireless Extensions switched to > > >

Re: Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 12:12 -0800, Jean Tourrilhes wrote: > Jouni Malinen wrote : > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:16:04PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > > That's why wireless-tools and Wireless Extensions switched to > > > passive scanning. > > > > Can you please point to some documentation/em

Re: Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Jean Tourrilhes
Jouni Malinen wrote : > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:16:04PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > That's why wireless-tools and Wireless Extensions switched to > > passive scanning. > > Can you please point to some documentation/email thread/etc. describing > this preference to use passive scanning? I

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Jouni Malinen
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 12:38:40PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > However, the problem with active scanning is that you have to power up > the transmit components of the radio, while passive scanning, even > though it takes a bit longer, doesn't necessarily require that. Active > scanning takes mor

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 08:28 -0800, Jouni Malinen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:16:04PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > > fixed it. Active scanning has been out of vogue as the default scan > > method for like 2 years with wireless-tools/WE, I'm not sure why softmac > > thinks it should be di

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Jouni Malinen
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:16:04PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > fixed it. Active scanning has been out of vogue as the default scan > method for like 2 years with wireless-tools/WE, I'm not sure why softmac > thinks it should be different here. Active scanning takes more power > anyway, since yo

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 14:08 +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 07:58 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > > Ok, so why is softmac doing an active scan, per my previous email > > message? Why is it not doing passive scan for normal SIOCSIWSCAN like > > most every other driver? (to be h

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Johannes Berg
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 07:58 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > Ok, so why is softmac doing an active scan, per my previous email > message? Why is it not doing passive scan for normal SIOCSIWSCAN like > most every other driver? (to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what ipw > is doing here, but I think

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:18 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 20:16 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > Ok, that's cool. Wasn't apparent to me from the initial message. But > > does that mean that softmac is doing the scanning with _probe_ requests > > on each channel? It's not do

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-24 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 20:16 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > Ok, that's cool. Wasn't apparent to me from the initial message. But > does that mean that softmac is doing the scanning with _probe_ requests > on each channel? It's not doing passive scanning? Right. It's an active scan. -- dwmw2 - T

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 22:31 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 14:40 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > > Are we talking about (1) the active probe response timeout after > > transmitting the probe frame, or (2) the default passive scan channel > > dwell time? > > > > If (2), I'd have

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-23 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 14:40 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > Are we talking about (1) the active probe response timeout after > transmitting the probe frame, or (2) the default passive scan channel > dwell time? > > If (2), I'd have to NAK this patch, as 20ms that seems really low. It's only (1). I

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-23 Thread John W. Linville
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 02:40:16PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 14:00 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > > It currently takes something like 8 seconds to do a scan, because we > > spend half a second on each channel. Reduce that time to 20ms per > > channel. > > Are we talking a

Re: [SOFTMAC] Reduce scan dwell time

2006-03-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 14:00 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > It currently takes something like 8 seconds to do a scan, because we > spend half a second on each channel. Reduce that time to 20ms per > channel. Are we talking about (1) the active probe response timeout after transmitting the probe fr