On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 03:56:11PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Pavel Machek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote:
> > > Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >
> > > >for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that
> > > >years ago bisection of a bug was a very
On 18-11-07 15:35, James Bottomley wrote:
clean-cg? But failure to run "git repack -a -d" every once in a while?
Actually, the best command is
git gc
which does a repack (into a single pack file rather than an incremenal),
and then removes all the objects now in the pack. If, like me, you
* Pavel Machek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote:
> > Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > >for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that
> > >years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task
> > >so that it was only used as a final, last-ditch
> > >ap
On Sun, 2007-11-18 at 13:58 +0100, Rene Herman wrote:
> On 18-11-07 13:44, Pavel Machek wrote:
>
> > On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote:
>
> >> It's a 540MByte download over a slow link for everyone
> >> else.
> >
> > Hmmm, clean-cg is 7.7G on my machine, and yes I tried
> > git-prune
On 18-11-07 13:44, Pavel Machek wrote:
On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote:
It's a 540MByte download over a slow link for everyone
else.
Hmmm, clean-cg is 7.7G on my machine, and yes I tried
git-prune-packed. What am I doing wrong?
clean-cg? But failure to run "git repack -a -d" e
On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> >for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that
> >years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task
> >so that it was only used as a final, last-ditch
> >approach for really nasty bugs. Today we can
> >autonomouly
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:50:43PM +1100, Neil Brown wrote:
> Virtual Folders.
>
> I use VM mode in EMACS, but I believe some other mail readers have the
> same functionality.
> I have a virtual folder called "nfs" which shows me all mail in my
> inbox which has the string 'nfs' or 'lockd' in a To
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:34:37PM +, Russell King wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 06:25:16PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > Given the wide range of ARM platforms today, it is utterly idiotic to
> > > expect a single person to be able to provide responses for all ARM bugs.
> > > I for one wish I
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:23:34PM -0500, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> I don't see any reason that we couldn't have a tool accessible to Ubuntu
> users that does a real "git bisect". Git is really good at being scripted
> by fancy GUIs. It should be easy enough to have a drop down with all of
> the
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:23:34PM -0500, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> > I don't see any reason that we couldn't have a tool accessible to Ubuntu
> > users that does a real "git bisect". Git is really good at being scripted
> > by fancy GUIs. It should be e
On 15-11-07 14:00, Jörn Engel wrote:
And even without mails being held hostage for weeks, every single
moderation mail is annoying. Like the one I'm sure to receive after
sending this out.
Certainly. Upto this thread I wasn't actually aware the list was doing that.
While it might be informa
At Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:17:27 +0100,
Olivier Galibert wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 06:59:34AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote:
> > Totally unrelated indeed so why are spouting crap? If the kohab list has a
> > problem take it up with them but keep ALSA out of it. alsa-devel has only
> > ever moder
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 06:59:34AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote:
> Totally unrelated indeed so why are spouting crap? If the kohab list has a
> problem take it up with them but keep ALSA out of it. alsa-devel has only
> ever moderated out spam -- nothing else.
That is incorrect. Hopefully it is the
On Thu, 15 November 2007 13:26:51 +0100, Rene Herman wrote:
>
> Can you please just shelve this crap? You have a way of knowing that "ALSA
> will accept you" and that is knowing or assuming that the ALSA project
> doesn't consist of drooling retards.
Well, my experience with moderation has been
On 15-11-07 13:02, Bron Gondwana wrote:
I get the same information from both project websites: "moderated for
non-members, public archives" - no way of knowing that ALSA will accept
me informing them of something they would be interested without
committing to reading or bit-bucketing their list.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 06:59:34AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote:
> On 15-11-07 05:16, Bron Gondwana wrote:
>
>> Totally unrelated - I sent something to the kolab mailing list a couple
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> I'm sure if I had something that I considered worth informing the ALSA
>> project of, I'd be wary of
On 15-11-07 05:16, Bron Gondwana wrote:
Totally unrelated - I sent something to the kolab mailing list a couple
[ ... ]
I'm sure if I had something that I considered worth informing the ALSA
project of, I'd be wary of spending the same effort writing a good post
knowing it may be dropped in
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Rene Herman wrote:
> On 14-11-07 11:07, David Miller wrote:
>
> Added Jaroslav and Takashi to the already extensive CC
>
>> From: Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>> So, when are you creating a replacement alsa-devel mailing list on
>>> vger? That's
On Tuesday November 13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:08, Mark Lord wrote:
> > Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > ..
> >
> > > This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> > > it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
> > > years
On Wednesday November 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > so please stop this "too busy and too noisy" nonsense already. It was
> > > nonsense 10 years ago and it's nonsense tod
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> There are two parts to this. One is a Ubuntu development kernel which
> we can give to large numbers of people to expand our testing pool.
> But if we don't do a better job of responding to bug reports that
> would be generated by expanded testing this w
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:37:37 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ok, then you conceded it by not replying to it? good ;-)
No, I don't intend to carry on this discussion,
but I appreciate the smiley.
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Dumping even more crap on lkml is not the answer.
that "crap" that i'd like to see dumped upon lkml would be netdev
traffic mainly - most of the other kernel development lists (and i'm
subscribed to many of them) are low-traffic. netdev is the main reaso
* James Bottomley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:56 -0800, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100
> >
> > > In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev
> > > some of those bugs w
* David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100
>
> > In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev
> > some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all
> > on lkml we'd
* Randy Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:16:39 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > countered by the underlined sentences above, just in case you missed
> > it.
>
> I didn't miss your claim.
ok, then you conceded it by not replying to it? good ;-)
Ingo
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:16:39 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
> countered by the underlined sentences above, just in case you missed it.
I didn't miss your claim.
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* Randy Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> >
> > * Randy Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > (and this is in no way directed at the networking folks - it holds
> > > > for all of us. I have one main complaint about networkin
On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:56 -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100
>
> > In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev
> > some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all
> > on
From: Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100
> In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev
> some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all
> on lkml we'd all be aware of it.
That's a rediculious argument.
One
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 01:24:48PM +, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel
> > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275
> > > Kernel: 2.6.23
> > > This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM
> >
> > No response from developers
>
> May
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 02:07:06AM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:55:07 +
>
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:55:51PM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> > > I've created [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > By doing so you've just said (implicitly)
Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 November 2007 00:27, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> You missed the following in my email:
>> "we slowly scare them away due to the many bug reports without any
>> reaction."
>>
>> The problem is that bug reports take time. If you go away from easy
>> things like comp
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > so please stop this "too busy and too noisy" nonsense already. It was
> > nonsense 10 years ago and it's nonsense today. In 10 years the kernel
> > grew from a 1 million lines
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Randy Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > (and this is in no way directed at the networking folks - it holds
> > > for all of us. I have one main complaint about networking: the
> > > separate netdev list is a bad idea - network
Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> You're assuming that everything in linux-2.6 was downloaded; that's
>>> not true. Everything in linux-2.6/.git was downloaded; but then you
>>> do a checkout which happens to approximately double the size of the
>>> linux-2.6 di
* Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You're assuming that everything in linux-2.6 was downloaded; that's
>> not true. Everything in linux-2.6/.git was downloaded; but then you
>> do a checkout which happens to approximately double the size of the
>> linux-2.6 directory.
> ..
>
> Ah, I wo
FWIW, I see the same problem with another HP notebook, DV4378EA with
radeon X700 video card. It does not happen frequently but I can say
that since I disabled the tickless feature I can't reproduce the
problem anymore.
On Nov 14, 2007 2:24 PM, Pavel Machek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > >
* Randy Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > (and this is in no way directed at the networking folks - it holds
> > for all of us. I have one main complaint about networking: the
> > separate netdev list is a bad idea - networking regressions should
> > be discussed and fixed on lkml, like mo
Hi!
> > Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275
> > Kernel: 2.6.23
> > This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM
>
> No response from developers
Maybe I'm optimistic, but I expected Ingo/Thomas to look after nohz
problems. nohz=of
At Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:21:30 +0100,
Rene Herman wrote:
>
> On 14-11-07 09:25, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>
> > At Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:01:31 -0800 (PST),
> > David Miller wrote:
> >> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:56:57 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >>> The fact that it farts
Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:20AM -0700, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> Finally they replied and asked to rediff it against their
>> git tree. I did that and sent patches back. No reply since then.
>>
>> And mind you, the patch is not trying to do anything
>> complex, it mostly m
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:20AM -0700, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> Finally they replied and asked to rediff it against their
> git tree. I did that and sent patches back. No reply since then.
>
> And mind you, the patch is not trying to do anything
> complex, it mostly moves code around, removes 'i
On 14-11-07 13:01, David Miller wrote:
From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:56:57 -0800 (PST)
The fact that it farts at me every time I post to this thread.
See? I got another one and I have received at least 10 of the
following over the past 2 days.
Nah, in th
On 14-11-07 12:56, David Miller wrote:
From: Rene Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:46:24 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is not subscriber-only. Same as that arm list,
it's _moderated_ for non-subscribers and given that I and other moderators
have been doing our best to moderate q
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > HID
> >
> > Kernel NULL pointer dereference at :usbhid:hiddev_ioctl+0x2f/0xabc
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9216
> > Kernel: 2.6.23.1
> > Looks like this is a regres
On 14-11-07 09:25, Takashi Iwai wrote:
At Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:01:31 -0800 (PST),
David Miller wrote:
From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:56:57 -0800 (PST)
The fact that it farts at me every time I post to this thread.
See? I got another one and I have received a
At Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:01:31 -0800 (PST),
David Miller wrote:
>
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:56:57 -0800 (PST)
>
> > The fact that it farts at me every time I post to this thread.
>
> See? I got another one and I have received at least 10 of the
> followi
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From: Rene Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:46:24 +0100
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not subscriber-only. Same as that arm list,
> it's _moderated_ for non-subscribers and given that I and other moderators
> have been doing our best to moderate quickly (I tend to stay logged in to
On 14-11-07 11:07, David Miller wrote:
Added Jaroslav and Takashi to the already extensive CC
From: Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So, when are you creating a replacement alsa-devel mailing list on
vger? That's also subscribers-only.
The operative term is "alternative" rather than "
From: Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:55:07 +
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:55:51PM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> > I've created [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> By doing so you've just said (implicitly) that you can not tolerate
> someone having a different opinion from your ow
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:55:51PM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:32:01 -0800
>
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willi
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 06:27:00PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:55:51 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I've created [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Let me just say - I'm astonished at how little spam gets though the vger
> lists. Considering how many tim
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 00:27, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> You missed the following in my email:
> "we slowly scare them away due to the many bug reports without any
> reaction."
>
> The problem is that bug reports take time. If you go away from easy
> things like compile errors then even things li
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:39:45PM -0700, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:56, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
> > > > Btw, I used to test every -mm ker
From: Sam Ravnborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:56:06 +0100
> >
> > > If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause
> > > some bug reporters to give up and go away.
> >
> > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> > n
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:56:06AM +0100, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
> >
> > > If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause
> > > some bug reporters to give up and go away.
> >
> > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> > non-subscribers o
>
> > If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause
> > some bug reporters to give up and go away.
>
> Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> non-subscribers only mailing list. Period. Not negotiable, so don't even
> try to change
From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:27:00 -0800
> Let me just say - I'm astonished at how little spam gets though the vger
> lists. Considering how many times those email addresses must have been
> added to spam databases.
>
> It must be a lot of work, and whoever i
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:55:51 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've created [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let me just say - I'm astonished at how little spam gets though the vger
lists. Considering how many times those email addresses must have been
added to spam databases.
It must be a
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:11:36 -0800 Stephen Hemminger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:17 -0500
> Chuck Ebbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> > >> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
> > >> bug
From: Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:33 +
> ARM ep93xx defconfig has been broken since 2.6.23-git1 due to:
>
> drivers/net/arm/ep93xx_eth.c:420: error: implicit declaration of function
> '__netif_rx_schedule_prep'
>
> caused by: [NET]: Make NAPI polling indepe
From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:32:01 -0800
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> > non-subscribers only mailing list. Period. Not negotiabl
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:17 -0500
Chuck Ebbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> >> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
> >> bug fixed.
> >
> > Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it
> >
From: Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:18:43 -0500
> Mind you, no arguing that this is effective when that poor bloke has
> a day free to download the git-tree and build/reboot a dozen times.
Like the internet, this time spent is beneficial because it's
pushing the work out
On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
>> bug fixed.
>
> Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it
> not happen again.
Very few people think about that part.
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On Tuesday 13 November 2007 11:57, Gabriel C wrote:
> > The main problem is finding experienced developers who spend time on
> > looking into bug reports.
>
> There are already. IMO the problem is the development model.
>
> There are tons new features in each new kernel release and 'tons new bugs'
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:56, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
> > > Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
> > > (gentoo->ubuntu)
> > > and I
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:08, Mark Lord wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ..
>
> > This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> > it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
> > years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many eyeballs
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:18:07PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Russell King wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> >> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >> ..
> >>> This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> >>> it's just that these sorts of things h
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:29:54 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:13:19PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:19PM +, Russell King wrote:
> > >...
> > > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> > > c
Thomas Gleixner wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
Thomas Gleixner wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
Andrew Morton wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
..
with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.2
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:13:19PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:19PM +, Russell King wrote:
> >...
> > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> > classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> > of the big
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:09:37 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:32:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:32:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> >
> > > > Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > > with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:24:14 +0100 Jörn Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 November 2007 13:56:58 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > It's relatively common that a regression in subsystem A will manifest as a
> > failure in subsystem B, and the report initially lands on the desk of the
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 06:25:16PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Given the wide range of ARM platforms today, it is utterly idiotic to
> > expect a single person to be able to provide responses for all ARM bugs.
> > I for one wish I'd never *VOLUNTEERED* to be a part of the kernel
> > bugzilla, and re
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
>
On Tue, 13 November 2007 13:56:58 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> It's relatively common that a regression in subsystem A will manifest as a
> failure in subsystem B, and the report initially lands on the desk of the
> subsystem B developers.
>
> But that's OK. The subsystem B people are the one
Jörn Engel wrote:
On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
I just find it weird that something can be known broken for several -rc*
kernels before I happen to install it, discover it's broken on my own machine,
and then I track it down, fix it, and submit the patch, generally al
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> > classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> > of
Romano Giannetti wrote:
> This was what I did in my (in the end almost successful) bisecting when
> trying to find the mmc problem (see the thread named "2.6.24-rc1 eat my
> SD card"). This is true in theory, but it has some problem. The "this
> commit does not compile is the easiest and in man git
On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
>
> I just find it weird that something can be known broken for several -rc*
> kernels before I happen to install it, discover it's broken on my own
> machine,
> and then I track it down, fix it, and submit the patch, generally all
> with
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:33:58 +0100 Jörn Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> >
> > I just find it weird that something can be known broken for several -rc*
> > kernels before I happen to install it, discover it's broken on my own
> > mach
On Tuesday, 13 of November 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:53PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> >
> >> mkdir t
> >> cd t
> >> git clone
> >> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
> >> (wait half an hour)
> >> /usr/bin/du -s
I jump in this discussion hoping to have some more insight on git and to
report my experience as a tester. I consider myself as half-literate in
this (I am here since 1991, more or less, and I am able to compile a
kernel and even hand-apply a patch, although I am in no way a kernel
programmer).
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:13:46PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> ..
>>> If you've been making significant updates to a driver/subsystem,
>>> and people are reporting that it is now broken for them,
>>
>> What are "signif
> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
> bug fixed.
Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it
not happen again.
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> of the biggest problems with bugzilla. Virtually no one in the ARM
> co
Russell King wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
Ingo Molnar wrote:
..
This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
..
If you've been making significant updates to a driver/subsystem,
and people are reporting that it is now broken for them,
What are "significant updates"?
Sometimes one person makes one small patch and this patch
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:19PM +, Russell King wrote:
>...
> There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> of the biggest problems with bugzilla. Virtually no one in the ARM
> community l
Theodore Tso wrote:
>
> Heh. I hadn't enabled CONFIG_BCM43XX_DEBUG myself, but I just changed
> it for my next kernel build. This is a slightly different issue,
> which is that sometimes _DEBUG options shouldn't be turned on by
> default (because they really trash performance and bloat log size),
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:46:49PM +, Russell King wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 08:30:35PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > There is this silly limit that noone can work more than 168 hours per
> > week on the Linux kernel, and some kernel developers seem to take the
> > liberty of spending
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
>>> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> ..
>> Another point is that it shifts the work from the few experienced
>> developers to the many users. Users (and voluntary teste
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 08:30:35PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> There is this silly limit that noone can work more than 168 hours per
> week on the Linux kernel, and some kernel developers seem to take the
> liberty of spending even less time on kernel development...
That limit of 168 hours appli
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ..
> > This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> > it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
> > years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many e
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:32:07AM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> Luckily if the report being ignored isn't chaff, it will show up again
> (and again and again) and this triggers a reprioritization because not
> only is the bug no longer chaff, it also now got a lot of information
> tagged to it so i
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