Re: Experiences with IPv6 and Routing Efficiency

2014-01-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/18/14, 10:30 AM, John van Oppen wrote: > This is exactly what pushed us into 6PE... it was the only way to make > performance similar to v4 from a routing standpoint. This statement is a bit facile... What platform are you referring to? > John @ AS11404 > > signature.asc Description

Re: Experiences with IPv6 and Routing Efficiency

2014-01-19 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/19/14, 9:05 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2014-01-19 16:11 +), Nick Hilliard wrote: > >> attacks for hardware-forwarded routers, so generally the only sensible >> option is to drop packets with long EH chains. > > I think sensible is to handle HW when possible and punt rate-limited when > m

Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks

2007-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Florian Weimer wrote: > * Douglas Otis: > >> On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 03:27 +, John Levine wrote: >>> But on today's Internet, if you want to get your mail delivered, it >>> would be a good idea not to live in a bad neighborhood, and if your >>> ISP puts you in one, you need a better ISP. >>> Th

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-15 Thread Joel Jaeggli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Addressing the complaint that my response to Gadi was too harsh, I can >> only say >> that, to someone who isn't aware of the history, my response may seem >> harsh, > > I *AM* aware of the history and your response seems harsh. Especially so > because you complained

Re: Broadband routers and botnets - being proactive

2007-05-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Gadi Evron wrote: > On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ian Mason wrote: >> - so much so that this is the first time I was explicitly aware that he >> offers paid consultancy in this area, if that is indeed the case. > > I don't. Nor do I work for a colsultancy. Your work for a vulnerability assessment vendor.

Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Jeroen Massar wrote: > Steven M. Bellovin wrote: >> On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:39:19 -0400 >> Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> you have something new and interesting about ipv6? if so, did you >>> submit? >>> >> Given the ARIN statement, I think it's time for more discussion of v6 >> migr

Re: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:14:51PM +0100, Brandon Butterworth wrote: >> You get one shot at fixed prefix size filters, miss and you'll pay >> forever. Which is more scarce, /32's or routing table entries. > > your first lema is false. > and RTE are more scar

Re: ULA BoF

2007-06-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > On 1-jun-2007, at 20:51, Randy Bush wrote: > >> we still need a operator to make a short summary preso extolling >> the virtues of ula central at the bof. > > How exactly are the opinions of people who operate ISP networks about > address space that's never used

Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-06-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:35:29 EDT, Donald Stahl said: > >> That said- your v6 support does not have to match your v4 support to at >> least allow you to begin testing. You could set up a single server with v6 >> support, test, and not worry about it affecting productio

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
John Curran wrote: > Interoperability is achieved by having public facing > servers reachable via IPv4 and IPv6. The end to end principle is preserved by having hosts have unique public ip addresses which are routed so they can be reached.

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Seth Mattinen wrote: > > So we should deploy IPv6... I get it. The argument comes up time > and time again. I would do it tomorrow - nay, today - if I had an answer > to one thing: How the heck do I multihome? I have v6 space from Sprint > to play with, but I'm reluctant to use it because I can't

Re: v6 multihoming (Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6)

2007-06-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Nicolás Antoniello wrote: > Hi Joel, > > To use AS path prepend when you advertise just one prefix does not solve > the problem...in this case it actually make it worth, 'cos you may find > all your trafic coming from only one of your uplinks. Sure if you overdo it..

Re: peter lothberg's mother slashdotted

2007-07-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Robert Blayzor wrote: > How practical is it really also that you need CRS-1 at the residence for > this. I agree with Sean. Since for most people the line card alone > costs more than the house. :-) 40Gb/s per slot routers are not that rare at this point. So the notion that you need a crs-1 in

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/08/2010 06:00 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Thu, Apr 08, 2010, Joe Greco wrote: > >> Because a legacy holder doesn't care about ARIN; a legacy holder has >> usable space that cannot be reclaimed by ARIN and who is not paying >> anything to ARIN. The point here is that this situation does n

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/09/2010 09:56 AM, Dave Israel wrote: > +Bonus Uncertainty: There is a lack of consensus on how IPv6 is to be > deployed. For example, look at the ongoing debates on point to point > network sizes and the /64 network boundary in general. There's also no > tangible benefit to deploying IPv6 r

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/09/2010 11:01 AM, William Herrin wrote: > Fun movies notwithstanding, they generally issue a fine and work it > through the civil courts. > > If you were doing something extraordinary, like jamming emergency > communications, I expect they might well call the police for > assistance. But tho

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/09/2010 07:49 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > some nut i procmail wrote >>> No, ARIN is not a regulator. Regulators have guns or access to >>> people with guns to enforce the regulations that they enact. ARIN has >>> no such power. >> I'm a little confused on the distinction you're making. > > co

Re: Carrier class email security recommendation

2010-04-12 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/12/2010 10:22 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: The man did say "carrier class" .. not "small webhost for four families and dog". You're talking multiple mailservers + filtering gateways / appliances etc, clustered .. rather tough to do that with one pizzabox 1U running a linux that's not

Re: CX4 to XFP

2010-04-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/16/2010 08:35 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, William Jobs wrote: > >> Has anyone else undertaken a similar setup? What were the difficulties >> you >> encountered especially in terms of reduced throughput, packet loss >> etc. Any >> recommended media converters? > >

Re: CX4 to XFP

2010-04-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/16/2010 08:53 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> >> >> On 04/16/2010 08:35 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >>> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, William Jobs wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone else undertake

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/18/2010 6:28 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: Franck Martin wrote: Sure the internet will not die... But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current IPv4 network. So what will happen? Reality is that as soon as SSL web ser

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/18/2010 9:56 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Franck Martin wrote: Anybody has better projections? What's the plan? My guess is that end user access will be more and more NAT444:ed (CGN) while at the same time end users will get more and more IPv6 access (of all types),

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-19 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/19/2010 10:40 AM, David Conrad wrote: Bryan, On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Bryan Fields wrote: Here is some unverified calculations I did on the problem of scaling nat. Right now I'm using 42 translation entries in my nat table. Each entry takes up 312 bytes of FIB memory, which is ~12.7

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/20/2010 10:29 AM, Roger Marquis wrote: Interesting how the artificial roadblocks to NAT66 are both delaying the transition to IPv6 and increasing the demand for NAT in both protocols. Nicely illustrates the risk when customer demand (for NAT) is ignored. This is really tiresome. IPv4 NAT e

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/20/2010 6:34 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 12:59 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Roger Marquis wrote: NAT _always_ fails-closed I love this statement particularly in the context of enterprise networks... When you pop the label off an l3 vpn or pseudo

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/20/2010 6:34 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 12:59 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Roger Marquis wrote: NAT _always_ fails-closed I love this statement particularly in the context of enterprise networks... When you pop the label off an l3 vpn or pseudo

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/22/2010 08:25 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:04 AM, John Lightfoot wrote: > >> That's Hedley. >> > > I believe that he is talking about Hedy Lamarr, the co-inventor of > frequency hopping spread spectrum. The patent which bears her and George Antheil's name is by

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/22/2010 11:23 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Conrad wrote: >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:48 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > So what happens when you change providers? How are you going to ke

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/22/2010 10:18 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Jim Burwell wrote: >> >> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 4/22/2010 05:34, Simon Perreault wrote: >>> On 2010-04-22 07:18, William Herrin wrote:

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/26/2010 8:07 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Don't forget the hotspot vendor that returns an address of 0.0.0.1 for every A query if you have previously done an query for the same name (and timed out). That's a fun one. so... a

Re: BGP (in)security makes the AP wire

2010-05-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 05/09/2010 09:30 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:54:46AM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote: > >> And when I drive someplace, I do indeed go by the signs I see, which are >> not erected by a central authority, as I move along. (I don't have a >> route from here to Fairbanks, Alas

Re: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.

2010-05-13 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-13 19:43, Frank Bulk wrote: Thirty percent? If "no access" includes financial means or developed interest, that may be true, but 99% of all zip codes have at least person with internet access. And the FCC has stated that "95 percent of Americans, or 290 million people, have terrestri

Re: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.

2010-05-14 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-14 22:04, Alastair Johnson wrote: Mark Foster wrote: What about developing nations where Internet isn't yet as commonplace as it is in the 'west' ? They skip dialup. dial modems are the end game for a 140 year old technology (300-3400hz pots lines). There is literally no reaso

Re: GSM modem test point with data and SMS support

2010-05-19 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-19 14:18, Aaron D. Osgood wrote: Probably because MO/MT (mobile originated/mobile terminated) SMS takes place on the cellular "control" channel (somewhat like the "D" channel on a PRI span) and is not seen as "data" by the carrier. A GPRS station class A device can do this... they

Re: BGP and convergence time

2010-05-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 05/12/2010 02:41 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > > --- da...@tcb.net wrote: From: Danny McPherson On May > 12, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Jay Nakamura wrote: > >> I just tested this and, yes, with Cisco to Cisco, changing the >> setting won't reset the connection but you have to reset the >> connection

Re: Partial Use Of one Regions IP Block in another

2010-05-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-20 09:36, Owen DeLong wrote: We're scraping the bottom of the barrel for IPv4 space these days. It is what it is, and it's only going to get worse in IPv4. Time to go to IPv6. in ipv6 we're using our arin /32 in all regions where we appear... joel Owen

Re: BGP Transit AS

2010-05-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-20 11:25, Rafael Ganascim wrote: Hi all, I have a doubt about the bellow scenario, where the ISP1 use eBGP sessions to its peers and is a BGP Transit AS. NSP 1 -- ISP 1 Router2 --- NSP 2 | | |

Re: Mikrotik BGP Question

2010-05-21 Thread joel jaeggli
Tutorial: Introduction to BGP http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/abstracts.php?pt=MTQ0MSZuYW5vZzQ3&nm=nanog47 Tutorial: BGP 102 http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog48/abstracts.php?pt=MTUyMiZuYW5vZzQ4&nm=nanog48 http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:BGP_Case_Studies On 2010-05-21 14:4

Re: Mikrotik BGP Question

2010-05-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-23 18:55, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: Dear Lorell, We will implement OSPF. so what arguments speak against 2 bgp upstreams? It's not an either or proposition... ospf carries your internal routes, ibgp carries you external routes between internal routers. you can carry default arou

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? A normal working day or during an engineers strike that only happens once every 23 years? Not to put to fine a poi

Re: Junos Asymmetric Routing

2010-05-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 17:38, Ken Gilmour wrote: Wow, very fast responses, Thanks Larry Sheldon and Ricardo Tavares! On 27 May 2010 18:07, Ricardo Tavares wrote: Not sure if I correctly undestand you but default route its the route that the packet must follow if it do not have a specific route for the

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-28 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 17:57, andrew.wallace wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:17 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? A normal wo

Re: Strange practices?

2010-06-07 Thread joel jaeggli
sps... I wouldn't do that becuase the alternatives are better and not exactly a lot of work, but will it work? yes. joel On 2010-06-07 13:50, Dale Cornman wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a multi-homed enterprise not running bgp with either of 2 providers, but instead, each provider statically

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-08 13:03, J. Oquendo wrote: Jorge Amodio wrote: All humor aside, I'm curious to know what can anyone truly do at the end of the day if say a botnet was used to instigate a situation. Surely someone would have to say something to the tune of "better now than never" to implement BCP fil

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 06/13/2010 06:13 PM, Bruce Williams wrote: > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Joe Greco wrote: >>> Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around. >> >> That fable only really stands a chance when the damage is accidental; in >> the case where such "damage" is being delibe

Re: Future of WiMax

2010-06-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-18 10:49, Akyol, Bora A wrote: This is not exactly true. With the 3G networks (GSM) you can get. 7.2-Mbps HSDPA (downstream) 5.8-Mbps HSUPA (upstream) 3gpp rel7 hsdpa/hsupa goes about 4 fold faster than that down and twice as fast up without having to resort to mimo. whether any

Re: List of a useful tools for network architects

2010-06-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
There was a lightning talk on Netdot at Nanog 48 I'd take a look at the presentation and the the website. It's quite useful from the documentation and discovery standpoint After the initial whit board I generally sit down and document what we're going to build then we build a transition plan th

Re: List of a useful tools for network architects

2010-06-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 06/21/2010 08:46 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > There was a lightning talk on Netdot at Nanog 48 I'd take a look at the > presentation and the the website. It's quite useful from the documentation > and discovery standpoint meh, it was nanog 49, and the link is: http://www

Re: Recommendation in Australia for ISPs to force user security?

2010-06-22 Thread Joel Jaeggli
not sure how they propose to enforce that, instrumentation approaches that look inside the home gateway have a non-trivial falsh positive rate and you've got a lot more hosts than ip addresses. On 06/22/2010 11:30 AM, Gadi Evron wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com.au/make-zombie-code-mandatory-govt-repo

Re: ATT BGP - Advertising my network on accident

2010-06-25 Thread joel jaeggli
just fyi, identifying the prefix in question and the origin AS will likely result in a lot more potentially useful eyeballs looking at including those that can take action. joel On 2010-06-24 12:37, Eric Williams wrote: AT&T is currently advertising my address space to the inte

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread joel jaeggli
If the data you need to preload is sufficiently large (e.g. 10s or hundreds of terabytes then yeah it should come as no surprise that it might be more convenient to move by shifting around disks. 100TB of raw disk is around $8000. On 2010-06-28 21:50, JC Dill wrote: Jonathan Feldman wrote:

Re: Mikrotik & OC-3 Connection

2010-07-06 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-07-03 12:45, Alan Bryant wrote: On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mike wrote: Mikrotik is great at lower end stuff where you have ethernet interfaces. Real POS OC-3 however, ain't in it's repertory and would not be what I would choose to route at those interfaces/speeds. However, if you

Re: U.S. Plans Cyber Shield for Utilities, Companies

2010-07-07 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-07-07 19:14, Jon Lewis wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: andrew.wallace wrote: Article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a bunch of old systems? Havi

Re: Level3 - have they alive abuse team?

2010-07-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Specifying the prefix in question is likely to produce more rapid and cogent response. joel On 7/12/10 2:20 AM, Popov Max wrote: Hello! I am an owner of the small telecom business in Eastern Europe. We have the provider independent network and own autonomous system number. Due to the

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

2010-07-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 7/13/10 11:11 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Dangerous in places where forwarding table exceeds hardware cache limits. (See Code Red worm stories) During the Code Red/Nimda period (2001), and on into the Slammer/Blaster/Nachi period (2003),

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

2010-07-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 7/16/10 6:02 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:57:15 PDT, Henry Linneweh said: Can we get a consensus definition on these definition's and what hardware vender's make edge routers and what hardware vender's make core routers. I got a router, it's got 5-6 10GE interfa

Re: Root Zone DNSSEC Deployment Technical Status Update

2010-07-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 7/16/10 11:07 AM, Tony Finch wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Chris Adams wrote: A simple XSLT will transform it into any needed format. XSLT can't turn root-anchors.xml into the DNSKEY RR that BIND requires. Tony. anchors2keys will.

Re: Root Zone DNSSEC Deployment Technical Status Update

2010-07-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Yeah oops. Just noticed that Joel's iPad On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> On 7/16/10 11:07 AM, Tony Finch wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Chris Adams wrote: >>>> &

Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC

2010-08-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/11/10 12:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > Nice to see this change > > APAC has been obliged to pay the cost to peer with the US (long > distance links are expensive). Now that US wants to peer with Asia, > pricing may become more balanced... I think the question is more like why am I being

Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC

2010-08-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/11/10 2:03 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: > > On 11 Aug 10, at 2:53 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> I think the question is more like why am I being quoted $100 A >> megabit in India for transit in India? Not why am I being charged >> for for the transport cost across

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

2010-08-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 14, 2010, at 8:05, Owen DeLong wrote: > On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > The lack of end-site multihoming (more specifically the lack of PI for > end-sites) was created by the IETF and resolved by the RIRs. > The beginning of resolving this was ARIN proposal 2002-3. >

Re: 40 acres and a mule, was Lightly used IP addresses

2010-08-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:27, Jimi Thompson wrote: > It was 40 acres and a mule - FYI No 40 acres was 1/4 of 1/4 of a section. That's 's Sherman's field order (1865) not the homestead act (which was 160). Or the circa 1790 activity referred to in this thread. Joel's iPad > > > On 8/14/10 11

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/19/10 5:30 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: > * Hannes Frederic Sowa (han...@mailcolloid.de) wrote: >> >> But most people just don't care. My proposal is to have some kind of >> sane defaults for them e.g. changing their prefix every week or in the >> case of a reconnect. This would mitigate some of

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/18/10 4:20 PM, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote: >>> In IPv4-land I have the possibility to >>> reconnect and get a new unrelated ip-address every time. >>> >> >> They're issued by the same ISP, to they're related. > > Ups. Unrelated in the sens

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/19/10 10:58 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: > * Joel Jaeggli (joe...@bogus.com) wrote: >> >> manual configuration of ip address name mappings seems like a >> rather low priority for the average home user... >> >> I don't expect that will be a big activity

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-22 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/21/10 11:52 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> I can remember early network printers using bootp and the assuming that >> they could use that one ip address forever. today the printer will dhcp >> and advertise it's availability in the same broadcast domain and may >> well reregister it's name in dy

Re: BCP38 exceptions for RFC1918 space

2010-08-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/23/10 2:31 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > I very often see 1918 space in ICMP responses. It's quite dumb. you wouldn't if you filtered rfc 1918 source addresses on your border. > -Original Message- > From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] > Sent: 16 August 2010 14

Re: PacketShader

2010-08-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/23/10 2:59 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:23:19 -1000, Michael Painter said: >> Researchers in South Korea have built a networking router that >> transmits data at record speeds from components found in most >> high-end desktop computers >> http://www.technologyr

Re: PacketShader

2010-08-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/23/10 12:25 PM, Andrew Kirch wrote: > On 8/23/2010 1:17 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> What it really comes down to is packets per watt or packets per dollar, >> if it's cheaper to do it this way then people will, if not BFD. > > I disagree here. Core routing isn

Re: Comcast enables 6to4 relays

2010-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/29/10 6:25 AM, John Jason Brzozowski wrote: > Franck, > > As you know 6to4 is enabled by default in many cases and is used perhaps > more than folks realize. Because of this and other observations we decided > to deploy our own relays. Right prior to this the nearest 6to4 relay router from

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/29/10 9:31 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Richard A Steenbergen writes: > >> Just out of curiosity, at what point will we as operators rise up >> against the ivory tower protocol designers at the IETF and demand that >> they add a mechanism to not bring down the entire BGP session because of >>

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/27/10 1:07 PM, Mike Gatti wrote: > where's the change management process in all of this. > basically now we are going to starting changing things that can > potentially have an adverse affect on users without letting anyone know > before hand Interesting concept. BGP is transitive, cha

Re: just seen my first IPv6 network abuse scan, is this the start for more?

2010-09-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/3/10 11:25 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: >> >> On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >>> However, scanning in IPv6 is not at all like the convenience of >>> comprehensive scanning of the IPv4 address space. >> >> >> Concur, but I

Re: IPv6 Glue Records at Dotster / Domain.com

2010-09-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/4/10 9:31 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/4/10 6:35 AM, Ryan Shea wrote: >> Anyone with a contact at Doster with the ability to make things happen? >> Apparently they do not support v6 glue records and they have been >> unresponsive to my ticket. This seems a kooky reason to change registrars.

Re: just seen my first IPv6 network abuse scan, is this the start for more?

2010-09-05 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Inline... On Sep 4, 2010, at 15:24, William Allen Simpson wrote: > On 9/3/10 7:43 AM, Matthias Flittner wrote: > >> Since recently we noticed "Neighbour table overflow" warnings from > >> the kernel on a lot of Linux machines. As this was very annoying for > >> us and our customers I started t

Re: Reverse DNS for IPv6 client networks

2010-09-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/14/10 5:38 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Instead of handpicking names or letting people insert data into your DNS > servers, some people are deploying PowerDNS with custom backends for > this that either convert the IPv6 address into a 128bit hex number, > optionally stripping the first 64 bits a

Re: ip block history.

2010-09-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
assuming the whois data has been cleaned up the next resource to look at is: routeviews or ris table dumps to see where or if it was advertised in the past, and from where. google and rbl lists are also worth querying in that context. joel On 9/14/10 1:51 PM, Greg Whynott wrote: > probably

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

2010-09-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/20/10 11:38 AM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: >> Devil's Advocate here, >> >> What would you say to ISP A that provided similar speeds as ISP B, >> but B took payments from content providers and then provided the >> service for free? >> >> Gives you the choice, ISP A, which costs, and ISP B, which

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/21/10 2:10 PM, Michael Painter wrote: > David DiGiacomo wrote: >> Instead of a rifle, how about a shotgun? It fires a nice wide spread >> shot pattern. I think you would be much more likely to do >> some damage (ie: knock fiber off a pole) with something like that. >> Here in New Jersey it is

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:05, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/24/10 5:28 PM, Alex Rubenstein wrote: >>> While this question has many dimensions and there is no real >>> definition of either I suspect that what many people mean when they >>> talk about a DC routers is: >> >>> From the datacenter operato

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
If one has a cisco 7200, then you have a software based border router. Considerations, for a given router platform are capacity, susceptability to dos, features required etc. Depending on the capacity required a software device could do fine. If it's in front of hosting environment you want to

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli said: >> On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:05, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>> From the datacenter operator prospective, it would be nice if some of >>>>> these vendors would acknowledg

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Joel's widget number 2 On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:47, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli said: >> On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams wrote: >>> There are servers and storage arrays that have a front that is nothing >>> but hot-swap hard dri

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
The longest part of our 2009 prefix assignment was getting our accounts payable system to handle the additional supplier. If you have all of you documentation in order you can easily run through the process in two weeks. Joel's widget number 2 On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:19, Bret Clark wrote: > We

Re: one shot remote root for linux?

2009-04-28 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Gadi Evron wrote: > I asked him about it on IM, wondering if it is real: > "looks like that > but requires a sctp app to be running" And which sctcp transport utiltizing app pray tell do you commonly find running on linux based routers and network infrastructure?

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Seth Mattinen wrote: > > I hear this a lot, but how many "linksys default channel 6" end users > really have more than one subnet, or even know what a subnet is? By definition, every single one of them that buys wireless router, then buys another and hangs it off the first. That happens more oft

Re: Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread joel . mercado
In modern data Centers drop ceiling is installed. The reason being you can create a AIR plenum. If your not going to have a air plenum then you should not have a drop ceiling. If you look at the in the link below you will see were the red arrows are thats were you would installed dro

Re: RE: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-02 Thread joel . mercado
Just knowing your spacing and were to places perforated tiles is very helpful in maxmizing air and not shortcycling it.. Establishing a Floor Plan [1]http://www.apcmedia.com/salestools/VAVR-6KYMZ7_R0_EN.pdf May 2, 2009 08:41:50 AM, [2]a...@corp.nac.net wrote: Calculating heat

Re: Network performance monitoring tools

2009-05-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Jitter (e.g. variability in one way or rtt) smokeping is rather good at measuring... The question is do you want to instrument the phenomena through active measurement as smokeping is doing or do you have some application (e.g. streaming media as an example) that you'd like to instrument because t

Call for interested parties: Switching BOF NANOG 46 June 14-17

2009-05-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
it personally and please drop me a line. Thanks for your consideration, and I look forward to seeing you all in Philadelphia. joel

Re: Packet Loss to Google, others

2009-05-14 Thread Joel Esler
66 60.0%20 317.4 319.6 314.1 328.0 > 4.5 > 13. he-in-f147.google.com45.0%20 323.9 321.5 312.1 332.9 > 6.9 > > > --- > Peter Beckman Internet > Guy > beck...@angryox.com > http://www.angryox.com/ > > --- > > > -- joel esler | Sourcefire | gtalk: jes...@sourcefire.com | 302-223-5974 | http://twitter.com/joelesler

Re: RE: delays to google

2009-05-14 Thread Joel Esler
345 ms 2.342 ms 3.132 ms >> > > > 3 axr01asm-7-1-0-1.bellsouth.net (65.83.237.90) 3.338 ms 3.331 ms 3.322 >> > > > ms >> > > > 4 axr00msy-0-3-1.bellsouth.net (65.83.236.46) 3.112 ms 3.105 ms 3.095 ms >> > > > 5 65.83.238.202 (65.83.238.202) 3.503 ms 3.654 ms * >> > > > 6 cr2.attga.ip.att.net (12.122.140.22) 4.489 ms 3.823 ms 3.795 ms >> > > > 7 12.123.22.129 (12.123.22.129) 3.591 ms 3.094 ms 3.079 ms >> > > > 8 12.88.97.6 (12.88.97.6) 3.197 ms 3.172 ms 3.160 ms >> > > > 9 72.14.233.56 (72.14.233.56) 3.322 ms 3.490 ms 72.14.233.54 >> > > > (72.14.233.54) 3.510 ms >> > > > 10 209.85.254.249 (209.85.254.249) 16.887 ms 3.501 ms 72.14.239.127 >> > > > (72.14.239.127) 4.261 ms >> > > > 11 209.85.253.214 (209.85.253.214) 12.987 ms 12.979 ms 209.85.253.218 >> > > > (209.85.253.218) 3.882 ms >> > > > 12 gx-in-f99.google.com (74.125.65.99) 4.357 ms 4.740 ms 4.481 ms >> > > > > > > > > > --Patrick Darden >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- joel esler | Sourcefire | gtalk: jes...@sourcefire.com | 302-223-5974 | http://twitter.com/joelesler

Re: Google News Down?

2009-05-15 Thread Joel Esler
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Nitin Sharma wrote: > I can reach Google News through icmp traceroutes, but the HTTP response > says > "Server Error".Anyone seeing this too? > All fine here. -- joel esler | Sourcefire | gtalk: jes...@sourcefire.com | 302-223-597

Re: ISP best practices

2009-05-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
The African Network Operators Group has quite a good set of workshop materials for both isp routing (including v6) and DNS (seperate workshops) weeklong course materials for the routing track are here: http://www.ws.afnog.org/afnog2009/sie/detail.html Bryan Campbell wrote: > This is the Nanog

Re: Out of warranty APC PDU repair

2009-05-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Oliver Hookins wrote: > Hi all, hopefully this isn't too off topic (since it's datacentre related). > > We have an APC AP7952 rack PDU which has stopped working. I believe the > management module is faulty, and it is about 5 years old. APC don't service > these outside of warranty at all so I'm

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-28 Thread joel jaeggli
If the pdu contains a surge suppressor and was designed for 120v, plugging in to 220 will cause the MOV that protects against transient over-voltage to emit smoke. The breaker or fuse is a current limiting device. Joel Pete Templin wrote: >Dave Larter wrote: >> Seems like if th

Re: Fiber cut - response in seconds?

2009-06-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
It's pretty trivial if know where all the construction projects on your path are... I've seen this happen on a university campus several times. no black helicopters were involved. joel Charles Wyble wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/30/AR20090530

Re: Fiber cut - response in seconds?

2009-06-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Charles Wyble wrote: > > > Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> It's pretty trivial if know where all the construction projects on your >> path are... > > How so? Setup OTDR traces and watch them? When you lose link on every pair in a bundle, but don't lose any of the

Re: Fiber cut - response in seconds?

2009-06-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
link-layer encryption for sonet/atm quite resistant to traffic analysis... The pipe is full of pdus whether you're using them or not. valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:54:44 EDT, Martin Hannigan said: >> It would also be cheaper to add an additional layer of security with >>

We need your lightning talks!

2009-06-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
your abstract in, the higher the probablity that we will be able to accept your talk. Thanks Joel

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