Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

Hello, Has anyone tried to use Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities ? I thought that a provider with such a Tier would allow customers to influence inbound (to customer) routing using additional BGP communities. But seems they don't have free service for that, they're offerin

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

Nope, for that exact reason. AS6939 is the only transit provider that charges to use BGP communities AFAIK. It's just another way for them to make $$$ and the only way it'll change is to vote with your feet. - CH Get Outlook for Android F

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

There are a lot of great ISPs with full bgp communities support. Just use them. On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 08:02 Edvinas Kairys wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone tried to use Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP > communities ? > > I thought that a provider with such a Tier would allow custom

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

It always amazes me how far many Internet engineers, peering coordinators and other buyers will go to haggle every last nickel on the costs of circuits, crowd connects, space and power. Of course, everyone wants a fair deal and a fair price, myself included. But all this infrastructure costs real

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

Speaking from personal experience here, the $200/month extra I was quoted by an HE sales rep in the past was only for local-pref modification communities within their own network. It seems the *only* other action community they support is RTBH which doesn't at all compare with what other tier 1 pro

Can an IXP sell IP transit?

Can an IXP sell traffic? This is a rhetorical question. I know that it can... In fact, it is obvious that it can. It is quite common to see several companies buying and selling traffic through IXPs. But whenever I have been involved with more serious companies, it was common for this type of traff

J Root woes on v4

Hello, It seems that J Root has suboptimal routing over v4 but v6 is OK from my POV in Montreal, Canada. Route changes occurred ~5h ago. v4: ~260ms somewhere in Asia via our HE bilateral in Montreal, Canada (AS-PATH 6939 45629 55423 55423 26415 396651 396651) 55423 might host a legit J Root node

Microsoft NOC Contact - ASN Association Request

Hello all, If anyone from AS8075 is lurking around, could you please reach out to me off-list? Backstory: We submitted an ASN Association (not peering) request to associate our AS with an Azure tenancy, and they rejected the request on the grounds that they "currently don't see any traffic for

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

Fundamentally, wouldnt that require the said IXP to be able to send full internet feed (v4 + v6) beyond the peering LAN routes? In some jurisdictions, the regulators require Transit Providers to have some sort of ISP license to sell such capacity. Noah On Mon, 4 Nov 2024, 19:46 Douglas Fischer,

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 8:44 AM Douglas Fischer wrote: > But I have seen a reasonably large scenario in which the IXP operator, > maintaining the MLPA LAN with the pair of Route-Servers, adds > another participant with the SAME ASN as the route-servers, > and through this participant starts to sell

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

There is one well-known IXP that sells transit as well. You'd be silly to buy both from the same provider. CH Get Outlook for Android From: NANOG on behalf of William Herrin Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 11:57:13 am To: Douglas Fisch

RE: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

One possibility is that customers using more advanced features may cause themselves odd issues and make troubleshooting their connectivity more difficult since it is less "standard" of a connection at that point. Thus, there exists the potential for more customer support costs. John Stitt ---

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

Maybe they are trying to recoup those costs they invested in the development. Hurricane is the LEAST nickel and diming outfit around. They’re one of the only places i know of that doesn’t charge an MRC on cross-connects. Between the no MRC on XCs, awesome and responsive tech support, i whole-

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024, Jim Troutman wrote: It always amazes me how far many Internet engineers, peering coordinators and other buyers will go to haggle every last nickel on the costs of circuits, crowd connects, space and power. Of course, everyone wants a fair deal and a fair price, myself inclu

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

Hello, On 4/11/24 2:14 PM, Noah wrote: Fundamentally, wouldnt that require the said IXP to be able to send full internet feed (v4 +  v6) beyond the peering LAN routes? I don't think so, I'm sure there are so many upstream providers selling IP transit without having nor sending the full intern

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

On 11/5/24 02:56, William Herrin wrote: Of course they can sell transit. The reason they don't is that it has the potential to create a conflict of interest. When your customer is also a competitor and your customer suffers an outage that's your fault... Well, you see where this is going. Ov

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

> Where this explanation breaks (at least for me) is that since they > offer BGP communities features for a fee, they clearly have already > put in the time to develop/deploy the config necessary for it, and > allowing use of it really doesn't cost them anything. by that logic, they should give me

Re: Can an IXP sell IP transit?

> On Nov 5, 2024, at 00:56, William Herrin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 8:44 AM Douglas Fischer > wrote: >> But I have seen a reasonably large scenario in which the IXP operator, >> maintaining the MLPA LAN with the pair of Route-Servers, adds >> another participant with the SAME ASN as the r

Re: Microsoft NOC Contact - ASN Association Request

I just went through this, "any" is a large number for Microsoft; if you're under that, they don't peer. ><> Nathan Stratton On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 6:12 AM Christopher Hawker wrote: > Hello all, > > > > If anyone from AS8075 is lurking around, could you please reach out to me > off-list? > > >

RE: Microsoft NOC Contact - ASN Association Request

It was an “ASN Association” request (to associate an AS with an Azure tenancy), not a “Peering” request. Regards, Christopher Hawker From: Nathan Stratton Sent: Monday, 4 November 2024 10:18 PM To: Christopher Hawker Cc: Nanog Subject: Re: Microsoft NOC Contact - ASN Association Request I ju

Re: Hurricane Electric ISP custom routing via BGP communities

I wish this would have good outcomes, but almost no customers use advanced features, which cost money to develop and maintain. Likely by voting with your feet, support expensive customers aggregate to feature full companies, and support cheap customers aggregate to feature empty companies, creatin