Re: Cogent-TATA peering dispute?

2024-05-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/18/24 08:56, Saku Ytti wrote: As long as our toolbox only has a capitalist hammer, peering disputes are going to be a thing. Cogent has outlived many of its peering dispute history partners. They are the grandfather of disruptive transit pricing, which many others have struggled to meet p

Re: Cogent-TATA peering dispute?

2024-05-18 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On May 18, 2024, at 08:56, Saku Ytti wrote: > What are we asking in terms of your proposed policy change of allowing > host a root DNS? You must peer with everyone and anyone, at any terms? Well, putting aside Cogent per se, and focusing on this much more interesting issue, I would suggest

Re: Cogent-TATA peering dispute?

2024-05-18 Thread Saku Ytti
On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 10:38, Bill Woodcock wrote: > So, yes, I think having an open peering policy should be a requirement for > operating a root nameserver. I don’t think there’s any defensible rationale > that would support root nameservers being a private benefit to be used to > worsen th

Re: Cogent-TATA peering dispute?

2024-05-18 Thread Ray Bellis
On 18/05/2024 08:38, Bill Woodcock wrote: L-root, ICANN, selective: https://www.dns.icann.org/imrs/ ... So, of the thirteen root nameservers, ten are potentially available for interconnection, and of those, only two, Cogent and ICANN, don’t have open peering policies. IIUC, most of L-root

RE: Should FCC look at SS7 vulnerabilities or BGP vulnerabilities

2024-05-18 Thread Jason Baugher
On Thursday, May 16, 2024 6:18 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: > On 5/16/24 16:05, Josh Luthman wrote: >> The FCC has spent the last several years hounding us voice providers >> over spam calls. They've implemented laws. They have required us to >> do paperwork. Have they been successful in that task

RE: Should FCC look at SS7 vulnerabilities or BGP vulnerabilities

2024-05-18 Thread Jason Baugher
John Levine said: > It appears that Brandon Martin said: >>I think the issue with their lack of effectiveness on spam calls is due >>to the comparatively small number of players in the PSTN (speaking of >>both classic TDM and modern IP voice-carrying and signaling networks) >>world allowing lots

Re: Should FCC look at SS7 vulnerabilities or BGP vulnerabilities

2024-05-18 Thread scott via NANOG
On 5/18/24 9:25 PM, Jason Baugher wrote: As much as most of us would like to be 100% SIP, it's the big guys holding us back with legacy TDM networks and lata tandems. --- While not a Big Guy, Hawaiian Telcom is actively removing all t

Re: Cogent-TATA peering dispute?

2024-05-18 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On May 18, 2024, at 19:30, Ray Bellis wrote: > According to their PeeringDB entry, at all of the 23 IXPs listed they only > peer via route servers and not bilaterally. > As such I don't think it's entirely fair to call them out on this. I’m not “calling them out,” I’m merely repeating their

Re: Cogent-TATA peering dispute?

2024-05-18 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On May 18, 2024, at 11:55, Saku Ytti wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 10:38, Bill Woodcock wrote: >> So, yes, I think having an open peering policy should be a requirement for >> operating a root nameserver. I don’t think there’s any defensible rationale >> that would support root nameserv