Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-13 Thread Masataka Ohta
John Gilmore wrote: Subsequent conversation has shown that you are both right here. Yes, many public NTP servers ARE using GPS-derived time. Yes, some public NTP servers ARE NOT using GPS-derived time. The point is whether : 2) Run a set of internal NTPd servers, and configure them to pull :

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-13 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "John Gilmore" > Am I confused? Getting the time over a multi-gigabit Internet from a > national time standard agency such as NIST (or your local country's > equivalent) should produce far better accuracy and stability than > relying on locally received GPS s

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-13 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > Let me address your points: [ ... ] > Let's assume you have a typical GPS-derived NTP server using a typical > commercially available timing GNSS module. To convince that receiver that > it was a different time, I'd need

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-13 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
If I'm spoofing time, I'm going to produce an entire constellation of satellites. That is, I'm going to provide a signal which looks like all of the satellites in view providing their timing signals on whatever time I want your GPS receiver to think it is. All I have to do is ensure that your r

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-13 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
Gotcha. The Bad Guys are smarter than me. :-) Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - > From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > To: "jra" > Cc: "nanog list" > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 8:06:30 PM > Subject: Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe) > If I'm spoofing time, I'm going

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

2023-08-13 Thread Mike Hammett
" As such, the ultimate (a little expensive) solution is to have your own Rb clocks locally." Yeah, that's a reasonable course of action for most networks. *sigh* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Orig