Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-07 Thread Ray Bellis
On 07/05/2022 02:18, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: If zone enumeration was not a real concern, NSEC3 would not exist. However, public DNS is a public tree and so we should have limited expectations for hiding names in it. A significant motivation was to help defend database copyright in the zone

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-07 Thread Mel Beckman
I don’t think copyright can enter into it, by dint of the fact that registry data, being purely factual and publicly available, cannot be copyrighted. On March 27, 1991, in a case that transformed the nascent online database publishing industry, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that there is

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-07 Thread Niels Bakker
* m...@beckman.org (Mel Beckman) [Sat 07 May 2022, 18:38 CEST]: I don’t think copyright can enter into it, by dint of the fact that registry data, being purely factual and publicly available, cannot be copyrighted. I'm not a lawyer nor pretend to be one on the internet but https://bitlaw.com/

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-07 Thread Mel Beckman
Actually, that source quotes the Feist decision. The rest of the discussion makes it pretty clear that domain registries are not copyrightable. “Thus, a database of unprotectable works (such as basic facts) is protected only as a compilation. Since the underlying data is not protected, U.S. cop

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-07 Thread Mel Beckman
For some reason NANOG is quoting my original reply in base64 encoding. I did not specify that on my end, so I’m not sure what is going on here. -mel > On May 7, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > --_000_D1647C55C4B34117851B3D01FD4CAC89beckmanorg_ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-07 Thread Ray Bellis
> On 7 May 2022, at 17:37, Mel Beckman wrote: > >  I don’t think copyright can enter into it, by dint of the fact that > registry data, being purely factual and publicly available, cannot be > copyrighted. > > On March 27, 1991, in a case that transformed the nascent online database > publi