Yes, you are right. And gradually IPv4 was improved and fixed.
We learned how to defend L2. CIDR was added (with should be thing
from the begining instead of netmasks, but who could forsee...)
And in case of IPv6 it seems that all that experience was throwed out
of window. Design was much differen
While Im dont like IPv6, I see it as a bad idea.
>From my knowledge I dont see a way of extending IPv4 without making it
a new protocol. It was not designed that way.
What I would LOVE to see that someone will pop in with new IP protocol
that is much more similar to IPv4, just extends address spac
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But, quantum computers are mocked up by theoretical
physicists, IT amateurs who don't know basics of
computational and/or information theory at all, and,
as such, just do not work better than cla
For those in the Phoenix area, there will be an ARIN on the Road taking place
29 March 2022 – an excellent opportunity to get any questions/concerns/issues
addressed in person.
See below for details.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
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(FCC) seeks comment on vulnerabilities threatening the security and integrity
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:51:56PM -0700, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
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>
> > On Mar 16, 2022, at 12:24 , Chris Adams wrote:
> >
> > Once upon a time, Owen DeLong said:
> >> You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases:
> >>
> >> 1. Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for Cali
Hi all,
I have transit donated from Zayo at Equinix SV8 (529 Bryant St, Palo
Alto) but it's so old that no-one at Zayo appears to know it exists and
they can't find records of it. It probably dates to the MFN /
Above.net days.
If you can assist with discussions about delivery of that trans
I was reading an article in the Economist about a new fiber route down the
Red Sea from Israel and wondered if there were any branches off of those
lines and where the routers were for them. The route kind of made it look
like it was completely at sea, but it would kind of make sense to leave th
Dear Matt:
1) "... I would *love* to see IPv4 get extended, a software patch
applied to devices, ... ": Please have a look at a concise
whitepaper below that does what you are hoping for and more. It proposes
an overlay architecture, called EzIP, tethered from the current Internet
pro
Dear Borg:
1) " ... I dont see a way of extending IPv4 without making it a new
protocol. ... new IP protocol that is much more similar to IPv4, just
extends address space. ... ": I believe that you will be pleasantly
surprised at the proposal summarized by the the below whitepaper. It
pro
It appears that Matt Hoppes said:
>At this point I would *love* to see IPv4 get extended, a software patch
>applied to devices, and IPv6 die a quick painless death.
The people at the IETF may be shortsighted, but not *that* shortsighted.
If adding 16 more /8's would have been enough, they would
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On 3/18/22 1:23 AM, b...@uu3.net wrote:
Yes, you are right. And gradually IPv4 was improved and fixed.
We learned how to defend L2. CIDR was added (with should be thing
from the begining instead of netmasks, but who could forsee...)
And in case of IPv6 it seems that all that experience was thr
Michael Thomas writes:
> I really don't see why people think it's so different that v4. To me
> back then it mostly seemed like v4 with bigger address.
Then I suppose, like me, you were in favor of the TUBA proposal? :)
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On 3/18/22 12:54 PM, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo wrote:
Michael Thomas writes:
I really don't see why people think it's so different that v4. To me
back then it mostly seemed like v4 with bigger address.
Then I suppose, like me, you were in favor of the TUBA proposal? :)
We weren't part of the war
On Fri, 2022-03-18 at 13:17 -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
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> We weren't part of the wars. What I saw was what eventually became ipv6
> and I remember talking to one of my coworkers about how hard he
> thought it would be to implement. He concurred that he didn't think it
> would be any big de
> What I would LOVE to see that someone will pop in with new IP protocol
> that is much more similar to IPv4, just extends address space and fixes
> some well know issues. (for example remove netmask and use prefixlen/CIDR).
This shows a fundamental lack of understanding… Netmask and Prefixlen/C
On 3/18/22 1:31 PM, Nathan Angelacos wrote:
On Fri, 2022-03-18 at 13:17 -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
We weren't part of the wars. What I saw was what eventually became ipv6
and I remember talking to one of my coworkers about how hard he
thought it would be to implement. He concurred that he di
On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:47:00 -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
I'd really like to understand what the requirements that are specific to
v6 are that make it so much harder or bloated. Not product availability,
but actual things that make it difficult to deploy.
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On 3/18/22 2:32 PM, sur...@mauigateway.com wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:47:00 -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
I'd really like to understand what the requirements that are specific to
v6 are that make it so much harder or bloated. Not product availability,
but actual things that make it difficu
I remember in the 80s getting into a rather detailed debate with an
OSI fan about how OSI put at least authorization into what we'd call
the IP layer roughly, CLNP/CLNS/TP0-4.
A lot of it came down to you send me your initial handshake and I
first see if you're authorized and if not reject you r
On 3/18/22 6:18 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
I remember in the 80s getting into a rather detailed debate with an
OSI fan about how OSI put at least authorization into what we'd call
the IP layer roughly, CLNP/CLNS/TP0-4.
A lot of it came down to you send me your initial handshake and I
first s
I'll mention, as I often do at this point in this conversation over
the past few decades, that nothing stops you from designing and
implementing such a network and, for demonstration / proof of concept
purposes at least, floating it on top of IP.
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