On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 00:00, Adam Thompson wrote:
> My question is, why do you think you need Segment Routing at all? Is your
> network so enormously large and/or complex that IS-IS (and/or MPLS-TE) isn't
> capable of handling it?
> So far, SR looks like a solution in search of a problem, at
Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question is.
But I need to give _something_ to a customer who has the ability to run
ping/traceroute but nothing else. (And they have an intermittent latency
problem that we haven’t been able to isolate yet.)
Does anyone curate
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:37 AM Adam Thompson
wrote:
> Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question
> is. But I need to give _*something*_ to a customer who has the ability
> to run ping/traceroute but nothing else. (And they have an intermittent
> latency problem t
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dave Taht wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:37 AM Adam Thompson
> wrote:
>
>> Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question
>> is. But I need to give _*something*_ to a customer who has the ability
>> to run ping/traceroute but no
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, Adam Thompson wrote:
Restatement: yes, there are much better ways to diagnose problems, but my
customer can only run ping & traceroute (and pathping, I suppose) and is
capable enough to run those tools and self-assess before calling me.
Back in the old days, when there was
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I'm still growing in my understanding of SR-MPLS and SRv6 but I can say
that about everything... seems like the one constant in life, and particularly
network technology... is change.
Like ytti (saku) mentioned, with SR/SPRING the IGP is finally carrying the
Label/Sid, so we no longer need
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 18:20, wrote:
> Like ytti (saku) mentioned, with SR/SPRING the IGP is finally carrying the
> Label/Sid, so we no longer need a label distribution mechanism running
> alongside the IGP (don't need LDP or RSVP). And for SRv6 vice SR-MPLS, the
> SID is now the IPv6 address
> Does anyone curate a list of “useful” ICMP responders that are at least
> kinda-sorta reliable/expected to continue responding?
RIPE Atlas anchors are useful for this kind of thing
https://atlas.ripe.net/anchors/list/
--
Ben Arblaster
Hi,
> No SRv6 is MPLS labeling where label is carried inside IP instead
> before the IP header. Layering violation which increases complexity
> and cost for no other purpose except dishonest marketing about 'it is
> IP, you already understand it, MPLS is hard'.
What worries me more is the opportu
Thus spake Sander Steffann (san...@steffann.nl) on Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at
06:21:25PM +0100:
> Hi,
>
> > No SRv6 is MPLS labeling where label is carried inside IP instead
> > before the IP header. Layering violation which increases complexity
> > and cost for no other purpose except dishonest market
Hi NANOG mailing list,
I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages
affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015 (47
CFR Section 9.20) requiring ISPs to provide an option to voice customers to
purchase a battery backup for emergency
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG
> wrote:
>
> Hi NANOG mailing list,
>
> I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages
> affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015
> (47 CFR Section 9.20) requiring ISP
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Given that most people barely even know what their home router is, I
> suspect the percentage would be somewhere south of 1 percent. Outside of my
> home, I honestly cannot recall EVER seeing someone’s home using a battery
> backup for thei
At my last employer we installed lots of Adtrans at Car Dealerships, Hotels,
and other SMBs.It was common for them to have a small UPS but 9 times out
of 10 the UPS 2-3 times older than the life cycle of the battery and no one
ever knew that you could change the battery in them.So they u
On 1/12/22 10:15 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG
wrote:
Hi NANOG mailing list,
I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015 (47 CFR
I too see very little gear protected by a UPS. In nicaragua, even,
when I lived there, and the power flickered 6x times a day, "normal"
people just accepted it.
However, with the huge implosion of battery costs and increase in
power from the cellphone revolution, and how little power most home
rou
Need to look at the entire infrastructure. Now, its less about backup for
the hardwired router, and better utility backups and construction for
mobile provider infrastructure.
Almost all households have at least one mobile phone, with built-in
battery backup :-) We used to have public pay te
On 1/12/22 10:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
I too see very little gear protected by a UPS. In nicaragua, even,
when I lived there, and the power flickered 6x times a day, "normal"
people just accepted it.
However, with the huge implosion of battery costs and increase in
power from the cellphone revo
In $dayjob I work for a telco that deploys fiber to the home. If we are
providing voice services over fiber a battery backup is installed (we maintain)
that powers the customer's phone in the event of a power outage. It does not
power their router, etc. 99% of the customers do not install a
When I subscribed to Windstream fiber at my house a couple years ago I didn’t
order voice service but they installed a UPS anyway. Curiously, they also
connected the wires meant for voice lines to their outdoor equipment mounted on
the house. The guy told me he did that after he hooked it up w
> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Given that most people barely even know what their home router is, I suspect
> the percentage would be somewhere south of 1 percent. Outside of my home, I
> hon
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Thank you if you've already submitted a proposal. We still haven't
filled the capacity and are able to accept more c
I'm one of the atypical users, when compared to the population at large,
but probably in line for this audience.
Critical gear is on a transfer switch and both inputs to that come from
UPSs that are on separate circuits. Less critical gear is fed from one UPS
or the other to balance the load and a
On 1/12/22 11:25 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
wrote:
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
Given that most people barely even know what their home router is, I suspect
the percentage would be somewhere south of 1 percent
On 1/12/22 10:54 AM, Shawn L via NANOG wrote:
In $dayjob I work for a telco that deploys fiber to the home. If we
are providing voice services over fiber a battery backup is installed
(we maintain) that powers the customer's phone in the event of a power
outage. It does not power their rou
Yes. In our scenario the ONT is basically an ethernet bridge and provides a
SIP end-point for calls. There are models that have the router built-into them
as well, but we've chosen not to use them at this point.
The battery we install is designed to run the voice portion for ~ 8 hours
(cust
Does anyone have any insight as to the OS and overall capabilities of
various ONT's? Traffic shaping/QoS and statistics?
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:01 PM Shawn L via NANOG wrote:
>
> Yes. In our scenario the ONT is basically an ethernet bridge and provides a
> SIP end-point for calls. There ar
That's usually an OMCI control thing on the OLT (traffic shaping, qos). Do
you have a specific question in mind?
Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:04 PM Dave Taht wrote:
> Does anyone have any insig
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:27 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
>
> That's usually an OMCI control thing on the OLT (traffic shaping, qos). Do
> you have a specific question in mind?
My dream, of course, is fq_codel (nowadays, sch_cake) on every
potential bottleneck link. FQ for essentially zero latency f
- On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Andy Ringsmuth a...@andyring.com wrote:
Hi,
>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG
>> wrote:
>> services, I was wondering if anyone had any insights on the prevalence of
>> battery backup for home modem/routers? I.e., what percentage of ho
I would have to imagine any QOS/traffic shaping is done in the OMCI and
hence would probably be in the GPON spec, g.984. I would look there.
Just guessing it would hold true with XG/s/PON, NGPON, etc.
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, O
" Top Gear Top Tip: I also have a UPS on my garage door opener. That saves the
misses from dealing with manually opening/closing the garage door if I'm not
at home."
Keeping one's spouse happy is FAR more important than keeping a router or modem
online. ;-)
-
Mike Hammett
Intellig
Many times those coincide. ;-)
On 1/12/22 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
"Top Gear Top Tip: I also have a UPS on my garage door opener. That
saves the
misses from dealing with manually opening/closing the garage door if
I'm not
at home."
Keeping one's spouse happy is FAR more important than k
> What worries me more is the opportunity for adversaries to inject SRv6
> packets. MPLS is not enabled by default on most router interfaces, so
> an adversary would have to have access to an interface where MPLS
> processing is explicitly enabled. IPv6 packet processing on the other
> hand… Unless
I agree it seems like MPLS is still the gold standard, but ideally I
would only want to have costly, MPLS devices on the edge, only where
needed. The core and transport devices I would love to be able to use
generic IPv6 enabled switches, that don't need to support LDP. Low end
switches from premiu
Do we know if there are common reasons why these power outages are on the
rise across different states and if this is expected to continue ?
Ahmed
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:43 AM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 1/12/22 11:25 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C. de
>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG
>>> wrote:
>>> services, I was wondering if anyone had any insights on the prevalence of
>>> battery backup for home modem/routers? I.e., what percentage of home users
>>> actually install a battery backup in their home modem/router or
Hi Randy,
> this is quite true, and a serious issue. but it has a good side. if
> you run an ipv6 enebled network, you can deploy srv6 without enabling
> srv6 everywhere, only at the marking encaps or embed) points. nice for
> partial and/or incremental deployment.
Yep, that's what I like abou
On 1/12/22 2:37 PM, Ahmed elBornou wrote:
Do we know if there are common reasons why these power outages are on
the rise across different states and if this is expected to continue ?
Climate change. We're living it. That and PG&E is corrupt.
Mike
Ahmed
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:43 AM Mic
Armchair quarterbacking here:
Increasing
---
Demand
Age of infrastructure
Capital Costs
Operational Costs
Government mismanagement
Decreasing
---
Tolerance for outages
Tolerance for price increases
Competence
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Inte
On 1/12/22 09:35, Scott T Anderson via NANOG wrote:
Hi NANOG mailing list,
I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power
outages affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation
since 2015 (47 CFR Section 9.20) requiring ISPs to provide an option to
voice
It appears that Shawn L via NANOG said:
>In $dayjob I work for a telco that deploys fiber to the home. If we are
> providing voice services over fiber a battery backup is installed (we main
>tain) that powers the customer's phone in the event of a power outage.
I have fiber service from my loc
On 1/12/22 17:58, Sean Donelan wrote:
Back in the old days, when there was competition between ISPs, the
ISPs you paid money used to have curated speed test targets on their
networks. Because you were paying them, some people wanted evidence
they were getting what they were paying for, th
On 1/12/22 20:50, Sean Donelan wrote:
Need to look at the entire infrastructure. Now, its less about backup
for the hardwired router, and better utility backups and construction
for mobile provider infrastructure.
Over here, if there is an outage, most people lose their home Internet,
and
On 1/12/22 21:41, Michael Thomas wrote:
We just installed a battery too, but it will probably only last ~1 day
and much less than that in winter. We're in the process of looking at
a generator that interfaces directly with the inverter so that it
handles the grid, the battery, the solar and
On 1/12/22 23:01, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Same here. A small UPS that will keep my modem, router, and POE for APs alive
for
the time I need to run outside and hook up my generator when PG&E decides to cut
the power again. A bigger UPS for the small 19" rack that hosts some stuff.
Top Gear Top
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:03 AM Scott T Anderson via NANOG
wrote:
> requiring ISPs to provide an option to voice customers to
> purchase a battery backup for emergency voice services
> during power outages. As this is only an option and only
> applies to customers who subscribe to voice services,
On 1/13/22 00:28, Colton Conor wrote:
I agree it seems like MPLS is still the gold standard, but ideally I
would only want to have costly, MPLS devices on the edge, only where
needed. The core and transport devices I would love to be able to use
generic IPv6 enabled switches, that don't need
On 1/12/22 9:35 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
From what I've seen on the market, home router or "residential gateway" devices with built-in battery backup typically only provide backup for FXS style analog POTS services, not for data, wireless, etc.
This was definitely the case for the Verizon FiOS I
On 1/12/22 17:35, Adam Thompson wrote:
Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this
question is. But I need to give _/something/_ to a customer who has
the ability to run ping/traceroute but nothing else. (And they have
an intermittent latency problem that we haven’t be
On 1/12/22 20:37, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
Same. My home office has 3 Cyberpower 2500 VA double-conversion UPS
units backed by Champion transfer switches. Power goes out, and ~45
seconds later I'm running on generator power.
My local ISP runs out of power well before I do. Thank
On 1/12/22 23:34, Mike Hammett wrote:
Keeping one's spouse happy is FAR more important than keeping a router
or modem online. ;-)
In some circles, that may be one and the same thing :-).
Mark.
On 1/13/22 04:02, Mike Hammett wrote:
Armchair quarterbacking here:
Increasing
---
Demand
Age of infrastructure
Capital Costs
Operational Costs
Government mismanagement
Pressure from the tree huggers to lower carbon output that results from
"traditional" power generation, and yet nobody wa
On 1/12/22 4:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I would have to imagine any QOS/traffic shaping is done in the OMCI and
hence would probably be in the GPON spec, g.984. I would look there.
Just guessing it would hold true with XG/s/PON, NGPON, etc.
The way at least my gear (Adtran) works is that you
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