Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Baldur Norddahl
I am in Europe / Denmark. The EU has defined broadband to be 100 Mbps download with nothing specified for upload. The goal is for everyone to have access to broadband by 2025. Such definitions do help those in rural areas. In fact this is precisely useful for those that do not currently have acces

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Laura Smith via NANOG
I agree with Dan. In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 49.95 per month (or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) . As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb.  But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the latest patches from Microsoft or App

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Need vs. want. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Baldur Norddahl" To: "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 3:49:01 AM Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband co

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
So I’ll do this, on purpose. Here’s the result: We decided, oh, 28 years ago, not to offer an insulting service tier at all; all our services, even the most “entry level” are designed to make you feel not just special, but like you’re one of perhaps 6 billionaire customers we have and depend e

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Mike Lyon
We are all happy for you that your technology allows for that, really, we are. For those that cannot get fiber, we’re still dependant on the physics of radio waves for last mile. And, hell, even for the middle miles! -Mike > On May 29, 2021, at 07:47, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE >

Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

2021-05-29 Thread Colton Conor
Patrick, How long ago was this, and what code were they running? What do you recommend for aggregation then? On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:17 PM Patrick Cole wrote: > > We ran a medium sized mpls network using ciena 3900 and 5000 series boxes > on our microwave network. > > Nothing but problems, t

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Good point, but developments in QAM technology benefit both fiber and radio nowadays. Starlink will eventually be capable of 10gbit links through... essentially just carrier aggregation to a massive LEO cluster. That’s global 10gbit... I’m cautiously optimistic that we will see an incredibly

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I hope you understand that's not practical, or even wise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE" To: "Sean Donelan" Cc: "NANOG Operator

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Starlink won't have a significant impact anywhere fixed services are a reasonable option. There's just not enough capacity available, even with 40k birds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Mess

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Ethan O'Toole
We decided, oh, 28 years ago, not to offer an insulting service tier at all; all our services, even the most “entry level” are designed to make you feel not just special, but like you’re one of perhaps 6 billionaire customers we have and depend entirely upon. The entire framework of my company

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
Well, honestly, if you really want to go down the “need vs. want” road, 100 percent of the folks on this list would be out of a job. What are genuine needs? Food/water, clothing and shelter. That’s it. Even the last two are somewhat negotiable if you get right down to it. Andy Ringsmuth 56

Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)

2021-05-29 Thread Sean Donelan
I thought in the 1990s, we had moved beyond using average bps measurements for IP congestion collapse. During the peering battles, some ISPs used to claim average bps measurements showed no problems. But in reality there were massive packet drops, re-transmits and congestive collapse which

Re: Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)

2021-05-29 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale
Sean, I can send you tens (10s) of papers on research into QoE for streaming media; some of them form the basis of my own current research, i.e. I'm depending on their validity for my own work to be valid. At this moment in time, I'm unable to digest it for you as it's been a while since I read it

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2021-05-29 Thread Fred Baker
On May 28, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > I know multiple people that had issues with slow Internet during the > last year as two adults were working from home and 1-3 children were > also schooling from home. Parents had to arrange work calls around > their kids classroom time and aroun