Re: sendmail.cf

2019-02-22 Thread Bjørn Mork
b...@theworld.com writes: > The predecessor to sendmail was delivermail, 1979, also written by > Eric Allman. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delivermail Damn. Now you made me read RFC801 and wonder why we didn't have an updated version for the IPv6 transition. Or: Where would the Internet

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 2/22/19 12:03 AM, John Curran wrote: Either way, until such time your solution is deployed widely enough to significantly impact network operations, it’s unlikely to be a particularly relevant topic for discussion here. Notable exception:  DMARC.  Broke email lists everywhere - including

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread Mike Meredith
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 19:01:40 -0700, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" may have written: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:24 PM Matthew Black > wrote: > > Have you ever created a sendmail.cf without using M4? > > I still believe that sendmail is Alien technology. How else can one > explain sendmai

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread John Curran
On 22 Feb 2019, at 7:08 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > On 2/22/19 12:03 AM, John Curran wrote: > >> Either way, until such time your solution is deployed widely enough to >> significantly impact network operations, it’s unlikely to be a particularly >> relevant topic for discussion here. >> >

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 2/22/19 10:07 AM, John Curran wrote: On 22 Feb 2019, at 7:08 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 2/22/19 12:03 AM, John Curran wrote: Either way, until such time your solution is deployed widely enough to significantly impact network operations, it’s unlikely to be a particularly relevant topi

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread John Curran
On 22 Feb 2019, at 9:58 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > On 2/22/19 10:07 AM, John Curran wrote: > >> On 22 Feb 2019, at 7:08 AM, Miles Fidelman >> wrote: >>> On 2/22/19 12:03 AM, John Curran wrote: >>> Either way, until such time your solution is deployed widely enough to significant

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 2/22/19 11:28 AM, John Curran wrote: On 22 Feb 2019, at 9:58 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 2/22/19 10:07 AM, John Curran wrote: On 22 Feb 2019, at 7:08 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 2/22/19 12:03 AM, John Curran wrote: Either way, until such time your solution is deployed widely enough

RE: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Friday, 22 February, 2019 09:36, Miles Fidelman : > But re. "one doesn't communicate with folks .. etc." --- when one has > ongoing communication with a large group of people (e.g., an email > list) --- and a large provider shuts a door, the impact is on more than > just the customers of that

Weekly Routing Table Report

2019-02-22 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@li

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 02/22/2019 09:28 AM, John Curran wrote: If you (or your email service provider) deploy an optional solution (e.g. DMARC p=reject) that prevents you from receiving email from mailing lists sending in conformance with existing standards, then that’s your choice. From the perspective of inbou

Cogent v6 Blackhole server issues???

2019-02-22 Thread John Von Essen
2 days ago my IPv6 BGP session to Cogent's Blackhole server went down (2001:550:0:1000::421C:802), I've spent all morning emailing their NOC and I'm getting nowhere. Anyone else seeing this? Im in the Phila Metro area. -John

RE: Cogent v6 Blackhole server issues???

2019-02-22 Thread Dennis Burgess via NANOG
Out of St. Louis, mine has been up since the last reboot of my router. 2001:550:0:1000::421c:802 is my peering.. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270  Websit

Re: Cogent v6 Blackhole server issues???

2019-02-22 Thread John Von Essen
Looks like they finally fixed it.. it just sporadically came back up. My v4 and v6 transit sessions were never effected. Who knows... -John On 2/22/19 1:18 PM, Dennis Burgess via NANOG wrote: Out of St. Louis, mine has been up since the last reboot of my router. 2001:550:0:1000::421c:802 is

Re: sendmail.cf

2019-02-22 Thread bzs
On February 22, 2019 at 10:50 bj...@mork.no (Bjørn Mork) wrote: > b...@theworld.com writes: > > > The predecessor to sendmail was delivermail, 1979, also written by > > Eric Allman. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delivermail > > Damn. Now you made me read RFC801 and wonder why

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread bzs
I'm sure some will react to this viscerally but I'd argue that a large chunk of the spam issue is an operational issue due to factors like: 1. Volume, bandwidth 2. Spammers' address block hijacking and other misuse of resources 3. Revenge (typically DDoS) attacks by spammers 4. General operation

Re: sendmail.cf

2019-02-22 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 2/22/19 11:27 AM, b...@theworld.com wrote: > I don't know the high-water mark for the number of IMPs or more > specifically how many existed on the NCP->TCP flag day but I'm pretty > sure the theoretical maximum was 256 tho no doubt someone had a way to > extend that. But, w/o extensive changes,

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:42 AM wrote: > But when someone says to me spam isn't much of a problem because it's > mostly blocked by local filtering (i.e., they don't see much spam in > their inbox), usually in an attempt to shut down any discussion > entirely, I know I'm hearing from someone who h

Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

2019-02-22 Thread bzs
I don't think there's anything wrong with sounding out some ideas if they arose from careful thought and sufficient experience and subject knowledge. Just saying call us when you've got a unicorn in hand is a brush-off. But one has to find the right venue for such brainstorming which I think is