Le 2018-03-06 19:39, Barry Greene a écrit :
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Fabien VINCENT (NaNOG)
>> wrote:
>> Hope one day the 3rd mode of uRPF will be something else than a plan ...
>> uRPF is not very usefull when multi homed. And as far as I know, multi
>> homed networks are increasing as f
One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested a
new copper Ethernet xcon to be placed. After a few days I received a quote
from my new rep quoting a MRC 3x what I’m currently paying for existing xcon’s
as well as a hefty NRC as well. Anyone have any experience w
Hey,
How would this work?
ISP1--ISP2---ISP3
||
+---ISP4-+
In case poor rendering ISP1 connects to ISP2, ISP4 and ISP3 connects
to ISP2, ISP4
- ISP3 receives ISP1 prefixes via ISP[24]
- ISP3 advertises its prefix out via ISP4
ISP1 will receive traffic from ISP3
Too much, whatever it is.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "James Laszko"
To: "nanog"
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:10:45 AM
Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing
One of our colo’s in
Depending on the location (x-conns carrier hotels are typically more
expensive) I'd expect to pay anywhere from $100-$200 per month for
copper.
-Matt
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, James Laszko wrote:
> One of our colo’s in San Diego was purchased by Zayo recently and I requested
> a new coppe
Wait till you ask for a disconnect. Then you get hit again for a hefty NRC
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Laszko
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:11 AM
To: nanog
Subject: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing
One of our colo’s in San Diego was p
NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)?
This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or
two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the
installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand
full payment for all the
Or the services you can only cancel once a year,
may not give early notice of cancellation, and if
you miss the window, you're on the hook another year.
Any contract we do with our customers is always
MCP - Minimum Contract Period with automatic
month to month renewals at the end - unless w
There are a couple reasons.
You order service from me. It costs me $X to build out that service. I
balance that against the value of your contract. If you cancel early
then my numbers may not work or I may lose money on the deal, or if
I had to borrow money to do your build, then my ban
I'm sure he means what he says. The cost to remove the cross connect when
you're done with it.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Mel Beckman"
To: "Romeo Czumbil"
Cc: "nanog"
Sent: W
NRC = non-recurring fee - the setup fee. They are charging setup fee and
monthly fees to run a piece of ethernet. The xcon fee monthly is 25% of the
price of the ethernet service we're getting from the telco
James
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On
In a previous life when I was on the other side of writing contracts and my
boss demanded auto-renewals, I always told my customers to write me a
cancellation letter when they signed the contract.
The amazing thing was how few actually did it.
On Mar 7, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Mel Beckman
mailto:m
reminds me of the days when you were forced to colo gear in the phone
company's CO to get access to their cable plant and got gouged on power and
the interconnection between the CO and then you had to buy your upstream
connectivity from the ILEC a insane markup or for ptp to your closest pop
:) no
Those days are alive and well. And of course, it hasn't improved any.
On 03/07/2018 12:25 PM, chris wrote:
reminds me of the days when you were forced to colo gear in the phone
company's CO to get access to their cable plant and got gouged on power and
the interconnection between the CO and the
Ohh no NRC.
Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off)
-Original Message-
From: Mel Beckman [mailto:m...@beckman.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:56 AM
To: Romeo Czumbil
Cc: James Laszko ; nanog
Subject: Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing
NRC? Do you mea
On 3/7/18 10:02 AM, Romeo Czumbil wrote:
Ohh no NRC.
Reason = Somebody has to pull back the cables (aka cut the ends off)
You mean you're not supposed to let cables pile up indefinitely until
they become an immovable tangled mass?
Sure, but that's just a cost of doing business. There's not a line-item for
cleaning the bathroom.
Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of
each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch
panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a l
Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs
instead of each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk
to another patch panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work
being done.
I have seen this in one facility. They just run 24 strand or whatever
Perhaps so, but if it's not charged at the end it would just be built
into the MRC. Longer-term customers would end up paying substantially
more.
In some cases, it is more cost effective to install an entrance
facility as you describe, but it's much more expensive than running
individual x-conns a
On 03/07/2018 10:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Frankly, I don't know why there are trays full of hundreds of pairs instead of
each cage having a patch panel and a 144 or some such trunk to another patch
panel elsewhere. Seems like there's a lot of extra work being done.
Because it's a capital ou
On 3/7/18 11:35 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
Because it's a capital outlay up front, instead of a
build-as-you-need-it with the capital investment spread over time.
There's no cost if the customer is charged for it when they need it.
Well the Westin POP and Netrality POPs model is the best in my opinion.
You take your bundle to one central location and do the x-connects there.
No need to pull single cables in the trays
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wedne
Hey,
> This is exactly my idea : why should I allowed uRPF passing traffic from
> routes not learned on this port ?? Why if I have Cogent + Level3 and I
> denied ^3356_174 and ^174_3356 AS pathes for logical reasons, I should get
> spoofed traffic from Level3 ranges over Cogent peering port ? That
Anyone on the list from Amazon peering? Have sent multiple emails to
peer...@amazon.com over the past couple of weeks with no reply.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You,
Mike
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