On Thu, 10 Mar 2016, William Herrin wrote:
It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to
pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide
to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They intentionally fail to
deliver on the basic service expectation you p
On 10 March 2016 at 15:55, William Herrin wrote:
> It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to
> pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide
> to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They intentionally fail to
> deliver on the basic service expec
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016, William Herrin wrote:
>> It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to
>> pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide
>> to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They intention
On Fri, 11 Mar 2016, Dave Bell wrote:
I don't get this. Google are basically a hosting provider. If I set up
my own website, I would expect to have to pay transit for it. If I ran a
hosting business I would expect to pay transit. Why are google
different?
If you had presence all across the w
Don't like what Cogent is doing but just to bring this back to reality Matthew
and others out there... What content do you think Google has or any other big
content provider that is IPV6 only or gives an IPV6 only response to a query
from Cogent that would not work via normal IPV4 routes and IP'
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Robert Jacobs wrote:
> Don't like what Cogent is doing but just to bring this back to reality
> Matthew and others out there... What content do you think Google has or any
> other big content provider that is IPV6 only or gives an IPV6 only response
> to a quer
Anyone from Verizon on the voice side on the list or if anyone has any good
contacts they can share?
We have customers in LATA 224 who cannot complete calls to a common carrier
and are hearing an audible verizon message "we're sorry all circuits are
busy now"
Please contact offlist
Thanks
chris
- Original Message -
> From: "Mark Andrews"
> I don't think anyone should be colluding to hurt Cogent or anyone
> else for that matter and this thread appears to be heading in this
> direction.
I suspect a distinction could be made in court by a competent attorney between
"colluding to
If you've wondered why the U.S. Government has so many data centers, ok I
know no one has ever asked.
The U.S. Government has an odd defintion of what is a data center, which
ends up with a lot of things no rational person would call a data center.
If you call every room with even one server a
On 12 Mar 2016, at 0:03, Sean Donelan wrote:
The U.S. Government has an odd defintion of what is a data center,
which ends up with a lot of things no rational person would call a
data center.
There's also a case to be made that governmental organizations really
oughtn't to have servers just
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2016, at 0:03, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
>> The U.S. Government has an odd defintion of what is a data center, which
>> ends up with a lot of things no rational person would call a data center.
>
>
> There's also a case to be made tha
Christopher Morrow wrote:
> because at least:
> o safe handling of media is important (did the janitor just walk off
> with backup tapes/ disks/etc?)
> o 'a machine under your desk' is not a production operation.
> (if you think it is, please stop, think again and move that
> service
> On Mar 11, 2016, at 04:57 , Dave Bell wrote:
>
> On 10 March 2016 at 15:55, William Herrin wrote:
>> It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to
>> pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide
>> to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They i
> On Mar 11, 2016, at 06:16 , William Herrin wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016, William Herrin wrote:
>>> It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to
>>> pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to p
Just received an updated statement from cogent support:
"We appreciate your concerns. This is a known issue that originates with Google
as it is up to their discretion as to how they announce routes to us v4 or v6.
Once again, apologies for any inconvenience."
And:
"The SLA does not cover rou
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Roland Dobbins wrote:
The U.S. Government has an odd defintion of what is a data center, which
ends up with a lot of things no rational person would call a data center.
There's also a case to be made that governmental organizations really
oughtn't to have servers just lyin
On Fri, 11 Mar 2016, Christopher Morrow wrote:
o 'a machine under your desk' is not a production operation.
(if you think it is, please stop, think again and move that
service to conditioned power/cooling/ethernet)
Even worse, the new OMB data center definition wants says "(whether in a
p
This is a great way to create a mess of rules. Need a server for running an app
locally to a site? You need XYZ standards that make no sense for your deploy
and increase the cost by 10 times.
Our server guys always try to set standards, then they run into a deploy where
the needs are simple, b
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan
The U.S. government definition of data center is a bit like defining
a warehouse as any room containing a single ream of paper. Yes,
warehouses are used to store reams of paper; but that doesn't m
On 2016-03-11 04:40 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan
The U.S. government definition of data center is a bit like defining
a warehouse as any room containing a single ream of paper. Yes,
warehouses are used
On 2016-03-11 04:40 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan
>
> The U.S. government definition of data center is a bit like defining
> a warehouse as any room containing a single ream of paper. Yes,
> warehouses
> Anyone who is multihomed with cogent ipv6 in their mix should shutdown
> their IPv6 bgp session. Let’s see if we can make their graph freefall.
Ettore Bugatti, maker of the finest cars of his day, was once asked why his
cars had less than perfect brakes. He replied something like, "Any fool can
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