Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > I was hoping to find a solution that maybe utilized some kind of session sync > or something of that matter [...] And the session sync is then the weakest link. I have seen a cluster of Nexus switches crash in sync when saving the configuration (which was synced). True redundancy is only

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Lee Howard
Some thoughts. . . ³Native dual-stack² is ³native IPv4 and native IPv6.² ³Dual-stack² might be native, or might by ³native IPv6 plus IPv4 address sharing.² Your IPv4 address sharing options are CGN, DS-Lite, and MAP. There are operational deployments of all three, in the order given. You need th

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Mel Beckman
And let's all complain to the MPLS working group to get IPv6 support finished up! -mel beckman > On Jul 6, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Lee Howard wrote: > > Some thoughts. . . > > ³Native dual-stack² is ³native IPv4 and native IPv6.² > > ³Dual-stack² might be native, or might by ³native IPv6 plus IPv

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Mel Beckman
MPLS requires an IPv4 core. You can't run an IPv6-only infrastructure because neither CSCO or JNPR have implemented LDP to distribute labels for IPV6 prefixes. -mel via cell On Jul 6, 2015, at 7:15 AM, andrew mailto:and...@ethernaut.io>> wrote: Pardon my ignorance - what do you see missing

RE: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Josh Moore
You can still carry the v6 NLRIs in MP-BGP though right? Joshua Moore Network Engineer ATC Broadband 912.632.3161 - O | 912.218.3720 - M From: Mel Beckman [mailto:m...@beckman.org] Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 10:49 AM To: andrew Cc: Lee Howard; Josh Moore; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Dual st

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread andrew
Pardon my ignorance - what do you see missing in MPLS in regards to support for IP6? Original message From: Mel Beckman Date: 07/06/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Lee Howard Cc: Josh Moore , nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion And let's all comp

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread andrew
Ah, thanks.  I was considering this from a CE only perspective. -andrew Original message From: Mel Beckman Date: 07/06/2015 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: andrew Cc: Lee Howard , Josh Moore , nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion MPLS requires an I

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Mel Beckman
Yes. But the MPLS nodes must all connect via IPv4. -mel via cell On Jul 6, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Josh Moore mailto:jmo...@atcnetworks.net>> wrote: You can still carry the v6 NLRIs in MP-BGP though right? Joshua Moore Network Engineer ATC Broadband 912.632.3161 - O | 912.218.3720 - M From: Mel

Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
>From Lauren, a new "feature" in Windows 10 I think this community probably wants to know about, to the extent you don't already. I *knew* I didn't like W10. :-) Cheers, -- jra - Forwarded Message - > From: "PRIVACY Forum mailing list" > To: privacy-l...@vortex.com > Sent: Wednesday, J

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Richard Golodner
There is a reason why my family loves open source. My kid is learning Linux and she doesn't even know it. Mommy has an Android... On 07/06/2015 12:53 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >From Lauren, a new "feature" in Windows 10 I think this community probably wants to know about, to the extent you don't

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Daniel C. Eckert
This isn't really an open source issue -- anybody can make foolish product design decisions regardless of licensing model. This is more about a vendor producing a feature that deliberately and shortsightedly creates a slew of problems impacting almost all existing networks anywhere. It's highly con

Re: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Javier Henderson
> On Jul 6, 2015, at 2:29 PM, Daniel C. Eckert wrote: > > This isn't really an open source issue -- anybody can make foolish product > design decisions regardless of licensing model. This is more about a vendor > producing a feature that deliberately and shortsightedly creates a slew of > problem

Re: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Stefan Neufeind
Time to teach home-routers WPA Enterprise auth? Then at least you know whom to blame :-) and just one user to disconnect instead of everybody who previously had the key. Well, but if "friends" were to share your wifi-key through other ways the end-result would be the same. Just hand your key to "c

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Dave Taht
OpenWrt has added support for many ipv6 and ipv4 methods as of their chaos calmer release, so you can experiment with any of thousands of home routers with: 6to4, 6in4, 6rd, dslite, hnetd, and dhcpv6 today. As for 4inX methods, well, the code exists in many cases, but there is still work to be do

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:29:53 -0700, "Daniel C. Eckert" said: > try to verbally tell someone what the new SSID is? Bonus points for dealing > with users in a context where you've had the same SSID for years. Bonus points for telling 40,000 users what the new campus SSID is Was Microsoft *tryi

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Yeah that's scary! I have seen similar feature across multiple apps on Android and iOS. To deal with them I do mac filtering along with WPA + separate guest network where I can share password. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:17 AM, wrote: > On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:29:53 -0700, "Daniel C. Eckert" sa

RE: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Dan Gamble
It gives it to one degree of friends on . So those friends can't share it again. I'm still changing my networks to EAP, though. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jay Ashworth Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 10:54 AM To: NANOG Subject: Fwd: [ PRIVAC

RE: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Andrew Bosch
Does that happen with 802.1x logins, too? Andrew > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Richard > Golodner > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 1:16 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

Re: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Hugo Slabbert
On Mon 2015-Jul-06 18:17:01 +, Dan Gamble wrote: It gives it to one degree of friends on . So those friends can't share it again. I'm still changing my networks to EAP, though. We've been had! This is all just a giant ploy by Microsoft to push EAP adoption on WLANs! Expect to see s

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Hugo Slabbert
On Mon 2015-Jul-06 18:22:47 +, Andrew Bosch wrote: Does that happen with 802.1x logins, too? No. Andrew -- Hugo h...@slabnet.com: email, xmpp/jabber PGP fingerprint (B178313E): CF18 15FA 9FE4 0CD1 2319 1D77 9AB1 0FFD B178 313E (also on textsecure & redphone) signature.asc Descrip

Re: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Owen DeLong
Yes and no. It’s not about licensing, but it is about the fundamental difference between open and closed development models. When you make a stupid product design decision in a vacuum (closed model), and only the people drinking the same kool-aid ever see your decision on a source code level, i

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread rdrake
On 07/06/2015 02:16 PM, Richard Golodner wrote: Mommy has an Android... Android shares your wifi password with Google. Including the password of everyone's wifi you've ever logged into. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2474851/android-google-knows-nearly-every-wi-fi-password-in-the-world.

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Richard Golodner
I long for the days of a good old fashion, bar, that made calls and received them. The smart phones are "smarter" than I am, but that is not much of a challenege either! On 07/06/2015 04:15 PM, rdrake wrote: On 07/06/2015 02:16 PM, Richard Golodner wrote: Mommy has an Android... Androi

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Octavio Alvarez
Terrible idea. These are the kind of features that should be opt in, and Microsoft could have done that instead. Does the 802.11 beacon support TLV data, like setting some opt-out flag without changing the SSID? (Even if the the flag name hasn't been yet agreed on?) Would this be a bad idea? Best

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-06 Thread Joe Greco
> Terrible idea. These are the kind of features that should be opt in, and > Microsoft could have done that instead. It *is* an option. When you're setting up Windows 10, it asks you two screens of configuration questions, but most people will hit the "Use express settings" option and just blow p

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-06 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, Joe Greco wrote: Anyways, if you look on the first page of "Customize settings", yes there's an option for "Automatically connect to networks shared by my contacts" and it CAN be turned off, but it defaults to on. Defaults matter. Every configuration parameter has a default