TeliaSonera IC Contacts

2014-11-29 Thread Ammar Zuberi
Hi all, Does anyone have a contact for an account manager at TeliaSonera IC? We’ve sent at least 3 requests for a quote through their website over a month or so and haven’t got a single reply except for the automated “we’ve received your query” email. We’re looking for IP transit in Amsterdam,

Re: TeliaSonera IC Contacts

2014-11-29 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > Does anyone have a contact for an account manager at TeliaSonera IC? We’ve > sent at least 3 requests for a quote through their website over a month or so > and haven’t got a single reply except for the automated “we’ve received your > query” email. And you still want to buy from them?!?

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Randy Bush
> I don't see this in my home market, but I do see it in someone else's... > I kind of expect this for port 25 but... > > J@mb-aye:~$telnet 147.28.0.81 587 > Trying 147.28.0.81... > Connected to nagasaki.bogus.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 nagasaki.bogus.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.9/8.14.9;

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "William Herrin" > > I'm not sure I follow your complaint here. Are you saying that Comcast > > or a > > Comcast customer in Washington state stripped the STARTTLS verb from > > the > > IPv4 port 587 SM

Re: TeliaSonera IC Contacts

2014-11-29 Thread Ammar Zuberi
Hi Sander, It's more of a "have to buy from them" as opposed to a "want to buy from them." I'd much prefer NTT, but they are nowhere near where we are unfortunately. Ammar. > On 29 Nov 2014, at 7:25 pm, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi, > >> Does anyone have a contact for an account manager at

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Sander Steffann
Op 29 nov. 2014, om 19:37 heeft Randy Bush het volgende geschreven: > i think of it as an intentional traffic hijack. i would be talking to a > lawyer. > > randy, who plans to test next time he is behind comcast I am so glad that our Dutch net neutrality laws state that "providers of Internet

Re: TeliaSonera IC Contacts

2014-11-29 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > It's more of a "have to buy from them" as opposed to a "want to buy from > them." I'd much prefer NTT, but they are nowhere near where we are > unfortunately. You were talking about Amsterdam, right? There are plenty of transits you can buy from. Cheers, Sander

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 14-11-29 11:07, Sander Steffann wrote: > I am so glad that our Dutch net neutrality laws state that "providers of > Internet access services may not hinder or delay any services or applications > on the Internet" (unless [...], but those exceptions make sense) However, in the case of SMTP,

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
backing up a bit in the conversation, perhaps this is just in some regions of comcastlandia? I don't see this in Northern Virginia... $ openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect my-mailserver.net:587 CONNECTED(0003) depth=0 description = kVjtrCL8rUdvd00q, C = US, CN = my-mailserver.net, emailA

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >backing up a bit in the conversation, perhaps this is just in some >regions of comcastlandia? I don't see this in Northern Virginia... I don't see it in New Jersey, either. Is this a direct connection, or a coffee shop sharing a cable connection or something like that?

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread John Levine
>i think of it as an intentional traffic hijack. i would be talking to a >lawyer. If the lawyer says anything other than that 47 USC 230(c)(2)(A) provides broad immunity for ISP content filtering, even if the filters sometimes screw up, you need a new lawyer. Filtering STARTTLS on port 587 is pr

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 11/29/2014 14:09, John Levine wrote: In article you write: backing up a bit in the conversation, perhaps this is just in some regions of comcastlandia? I don't see this in Northern Virginia... I don't see it in New Jersey, either. Is this a direct connection, or a coffee shop sharing a c

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Randy Bush
The STARTTLS filter was merely a tool used to divert and tap the traffic. It is the latter which is over the line. randy, on a teensy non-computer On Nov 29, 2014, at 15:17, John Levine wrote: >> i think of it as an intentional traffic hijack. i would be talking to a >> lawyer. > > If the l

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Marcin Cieslak
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, joel jaeggli wrote: > I don't see this in my home market, but I do see it in someone else's... > I kind of expect this for port 25 but... > > J@mb-aye:~$telnet 147.28.0.81 587 > Trying 147.28.0.81... > Connected to nagasaki.bogus.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 nagasak

Re: Phasing out of copper

2014-11-29 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Phasing out of copper Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:46:03AM -0500 Quoting Jean-Francois Mezei (jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca): > Currently in the midst of a CRTC policy hearing in Canada on future of > competition in ISPs. > > Incumbents claim they have no plans to retire their copper plan

Re: Phasing out of copper

2014-11-29 Thread Cameron Daniel
On 2014-11-30 9:19 am, Måns Nilsson wrote: Maintaining copper plant is expensive. It will be retired as soon as buy-in on FTTH is high enough. Telia Sonera is doing it in Sweden, so the trend is global. (OTOH, in Sweden, young people moving out from their parents, if they can find somewhere to re

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM, John Levine wrote: > In article > you > write: >>backing up a bit in the conversation, perhaps this is just in some >>regions of comcastlandia? I don't see this in Northern Virginia... > > I don't see it in New Jersey, either. > > Is this a direct connection, or

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread joel jaeggli
On 11/29/14 6:32 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM, John Levine wrote: >> In article >> you >> write: >>> backing up a bit in the conversation, perhaps this is just in some >>> regions of comcastlandia? I don't see this in Northern Virginia... >> >> I don't see it

Re: Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

2014-11-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:27 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 11/29/14 6:32 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> In article >>> you >>> write: backing up a bit in the conversation, perhaps this is just in some regions of comcastlandia?

Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

2014-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Måns Nilsson" > Maintaining copper plant is expensive. It will be retired as soon as > buy-in on FTTH is high enough. Telia Sonera is doing it in Sweden, > so the trend is global. (OTOH, in Sweden, young people moving out from > their parents, if they can fin

RE: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

2014-11-29 Thread Nathan Anderson
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 9:10 PM, Jay Ashworth <> wrote: > But let us not conflate being ok with telcos replacing analog copper > last-mile with being ok with telcos replacing PCM with VoIP, especially > in trunking applications, ... [snip] Let's also not conflate audio codecs with L2. "PC

Re: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

2014-11-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Nathan Anderson" kbones (was: Phasing out of copper) > On Saturday, November 29, 2014 9:10 PM, Jay Ashworth <> wrote: > > But let us not conflate being ok with telcos replacing analog copper > > last-mile with being ok with telcos replacing PCM with VoIP, > >

Re: TeliaSonera IC Contacts

2014-11-29 Thread Alistair Mackenzie
I'd be inclined to not buy from them if they are not replying to sales emails. You've got to ask what their NOC will be like once you are a customer... On 29 November 2014 at 16:08, Sander Steffann wrote: > Hi, > > > It's more of a "have to buy from them" as opposed to a "want to buy from > the

Re: Phasing out of telco TDM Backbones (was: Phasing out of copper)

2014-11-29 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, Jay Ashworth wrote: Oh, sure. But my point is this: How many Erlangs can you fit through that clear-channel T-3? Personally I find the use of Erlangs in a packet-switched environment somewhat irrelevant. What has been more useful me in capacity planning and staying ou