Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-09 Thread Paul S.
I've used the first one, and hacked on the second. WANGuard, when deployed properly, works amazingly well. ddosmon is only useful if you have netflow v5 flows (or sflow that can get converted to nfv5), but also works well when coupled with exabgp / openbgpd. I added some per ip limiting / ex

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-09 Thread Miles Fidelman
Roland Dobbins wrote: On 9 Nov 2014, at 10:37, Jon Lewis wrote: I'm sure it's not always the case, but in my experience as a SP, the victim virtually always did something to instigate the attack, and is usually someone you don't want as a customer. This may be a reflection of your experienc

Re: Reporting DDOS reflection attacks

2014-11-09 Thread Brian Rak
Also, abusix is not completely accurate (and they've never responded to my emails reporting problems). For example, any IPs from apnic and nic.ad.jp return the registry's abuse address, which doesn't do anything. Don't forget about all the providers with incorrect abuse contacts, or providers

Re: Reporting DDOS reflection attacks

2014-11-09 Thread srn . nanog
On 11/09/2014 09:31 AM, Brian Rak wrote: > Some tips: > 1) Verify the servers are still vulnerable. This is pretty straightforward, > and saves everyone > involved some time For a DDOS, I'd be concerned that the provider would now think my activity was malicious. > 2) Your abuse emails should

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-09 Thread Joe Chisolm
Look at the products from RioRey (www.riorey.com). IMHO I think their technology is much better than some of the other players out here. On 11/08/2014 07:10 PM, Eric C. Miller wrote: > Today, we experienced (3) separate DDoS attacks from Eastern Asia, all > generating > 2Gbps towards a single I

Re: Reporting DDOS reflection attacks

2014-11-09 Thread Doug Barton
On 11/8/14 6:33 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote: this is incorrect and harmful, and should be removed: iii.Consider dropping any DNS reply packets which are larger than 512 Bytes – these are commonly found in DNS DoS Amplification attacks. This *breaks the Internet*. Don't do it. +1

Re: Reporting DDOS reflection attacks

2014-11-09 Thread manning bill
On 9November2014Sunday, at 11:40, Doug Barton wrote: > On 11/8/14 6:33 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote: >> this is incorrect and harmful, and should be removed: >> >> iii.Consider dropping any DNS reply packets which are larger >> than 512 Bytes – these are commonly found in DNS DoS Amplifica

Re: v6 cdn problems

2014-11-09 Thread joel jaeggli
On 11/8/14 1:02 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > The Google angle is also being discussed on outages. Initial suspicions are > PTB packets not flowing through tunneled connections. you can also have problems in the other direction e.g. if your tunnel ingress sends a ptb towards a load balanced service it

Re: v6 cdn problems

2014-11-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Google does not seem to be home. to be clear, folk who care do know about the problem and are working on a solution...

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2014-11-09 Thread scottie mac
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Re: Reporting DDOS reflection attacks

2014-11-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 11/9/2014 13:40, Doug Barton wrote: On 11/8/14 6:33 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote: this is incorrect and harmful, and should be removed: iii.Consider dropping any DNS reply packets which are larger than 512 Bytes – these are commonly found in DNS DoS Amplification attacks. This *breaks

Re: Reporting DDOS reflection attacks

2014-11-09 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 10 Nov 2014, at 8:23, Larry Sheldon wrote: > The whole thing> Really? Breaking DNS for your customers pretty much breaks the Internet for them, yes. --- Roland Dobbins

I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Lorell Hathcock
All: A job opportunity just came my way to work with 26 miles of dark fiber in and around a city in Texas. The intent is for me to deliver internet and private network services to business customers in this area. I relish the thought of starting from scratch to build a network right from the

Re: FW: M-Lab-Related PCAPs

2014-11-09 Thread Srikanth Sundaresan
Thanks Jason. I've tried to organize them here: http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~srikanth/tos.html So please send along any interesting traces, any ideas for tests, or comments! - Srikanth On 11/8/14 9:46 PM, Livingood, Jason wrote: FYI to this list since I suspect few of you are on the M-

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
The below is a really sad story. Condolences on the coming trainwreck. I hope you get someone on staff or on consult that understands outside plant architecture, because it is much more important and complex topic than you seem to realize. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Lorell Hathcock wrote:

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Hi, 26 miles is not a long distance when working with fiber. I would have just one active POPs (or two for redundancy). Use DWDM to expand your 6 strands into as many links as you need. You could also use GPON with splitters, although that will only deliver 1 Gbps (on a shared 2.4 Gbps) at this ti

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
WoW !.. that was a rather cruel and un-called for ! How does that saying go.Don't say anything, if you cannot say anything nice ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom - Original Message - > From: "Fletcher Kittredge" > To: "Lorell Hathcock" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Sunda

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Hey come on. Yes it is complex but not impossible to learn "on the job". You have absolutely no knowledge of his skills and know almost nothing about the project. How can you say anything about the impossibility of overcoming the challenges ahead? One thing that amazes me about NANOG is that while

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sun, 9 Nov 2014, Lorell Hathcock wrote: A job opportunity just came my way to work with 26 miles of dark fiber in and around a city in Texas. How is the outside plant being built and supported? Who fixes fiber cuts? Who manages the fiber-cut-fixers? Who monitors the network and handles

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I would suggest that you do some rapid field deployment education in regards to fiber networks. You might consider joining WISPA and or FISPA (two industry associations), where you have folks building out fiber networks, who are very willing to share their experience and tell you what is worki

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread Scott Weeks
--- fkitt...@gwi.net wrote: From: Fletcher Kittredge The below is a really sad story. Condolences on the coming trainwreck. I hope you get someone on staff or on consult that understands outside plant architecture, because it is much more important and complex topic than you seem to realize. --

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber

2014-11-09 Thread Lorell Hathcock
Ah, the famous good-will of NANOG. I knew I would get some interesting responses. I was part of the Field Ops group of Enron Broadband years ago. We deployed DWDM extensively. Admittedly it has been a while. This 26 miles of dark fiber is deployed by a municipality in and around their fair c

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber. What do I do with it?

2014-11-09 Thread ITechGeek
I would say the OP is starting out right by reaching out to people who can give advice and point him in the right direction. I would say the first place to start would be budget. I don't think calling this is a trainwreck before it even leaves paper isn't very helpful. One option might be to sta

Re: I am about to inherit 26 miles of dark fiber

2014-11-09 Thread Scott Weeks
:: Ah, the famous good-will of NANOG. But you got more of the good than the other. :: I knew I would get some interesting responses. And you got more of that than non-interesting... :-) scott

Re: v6 cdn problems

2014-11-09 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2014-11-09 23:00, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> Google does not seem to be home. Note that you skipped the rest: "Google does not seem to be home. They used to have a handy i...@google.com address, but alas, that does not exist anymore."