CGN is just a solution to save time, it is not a transition mechanism through
IPv6
At the end (IPv6 at home) you will need at list :
Dual stack or NAT64/ DNS64
My 2 cents
On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> I wonder how mu
On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Fabien Delmotte wrote:
CGN is just a solution to save time, it is not a transition mechanism through
IPv6
At the end (IPv6 at home) you will need at list :
Dual stack or NAT64/ DNS64
CGN doesn't stop anyone deploying dual stack. NAT64/DNS64 is dead in the
water without ot
Well if the RFCs would just be set in stone already like Moses's 10
commandments
and if the programmers would actually start writing code for v6
and if the web site hosting servers would at least have dual stack
enabled on them
it would be great.
But till then we just change a RFC here, band-a
Jimmy Hess writes:
> On 4/6/13, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>> On 4/6/2013 6:24 PM, cb.list6 wrote:
>>
>> I'd love to see a CGN box that is cheaper than IPv4 addresses currently
>> are on the transfer market.
>
> You mean like a few linux servers running iptables nat-masquerade?
>
> You think the "
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:54:04 +0300, Alex said:
> Well if the RFCs would just be set in stone already like Moses's 10
> commandments
> and if the programmers would actually start writing code for v6
> and if the web site hosting servers would at least have dual stack
> enabled on them
> it would be
* Mikael Abrahamsson
> My point is that people seem to scoff at CGN. There is nothing stopping
> anyone putting in CGN for IPv4 (that has to be done to handle IPv4
> address exhaustion), then giving dual stack for end users can be done at
> any time.
>
> Face it, we're running out of IPv4 address
In MPLS network when we speak of utilization is 50% between 2 points in a
circuit , What does it mean and how can I measure it ?
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I think Comcast is using CGN too!!! My IP address displayed on my MacBook is in
the 10.0.0.0/8 range, and ARIN website can't determine my IP address either.
Joe
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:33 PM, "Joshua Smith" wrote:
> Very interesting indeed. Way to do the right thing here Veri
* Mikael Abrahamsson
> Otoh, ARIN isn't exhausted yet so getting IPv4 addresses there should
> still be a lot cheaper than doing CGN?
>From what I hear several ISPs in the ARIN region prefer to obtain
second-hand IPv4 addresses (or deploy CGN boxes) over requesting
addresses directly from ARIN, a
On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Derek Ivey wrote:
It would be nice to get an update from them regarding their IPv6 plans. Their
IPv6 support page still says they will start deploying "3Q12" :(.
I've been trying to get some information from internal contacts, but so
far, no go.
jms
I've continued to update my dataset originally posted about two weeks ago.
Please take a moment and review your CIDRs which may be running an open
resolver.
I've exposed one additional bit in the user-interface that may be helpful.
Some DNS servers will respond with RCODE=0 (OK) but not provi
> Would you be less upset if there was IPv6 access and CPE based DS Lite
ds lite, nat in the core and cpe forklift. one of the worst mechanisms.
randy
On Apr 6, 2013, at 16:03 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:38:06 -0400, shawn wilson said:
>
>> What would break if u dropped all ICMP packets with redirects on public
>> facing boxes?
>
> Presumably nothing, as long as you guaranteed that your IP address, netmask,
> and
On Apr 7, 2013, at 00:31 , Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Fabien Delmotte wrote:
>
>> CGN is just a solution to save time, it is not a transition mechanism
>> through IPv6
>> At the end (IPv6 at home) you will need at list :
>> Dual stack or NAT64/ DNS64
>
> CGN doesn't stop
If I'm an ISP deploying a network for users today, I effectively have to
provide some mechanism to allow those users to get to IPv4 only content.
There is way too much stuff out there that is IPv4 only today.
Yes, content providers should provide IPv6 accessbut if I'm an ISP, I
can't really c
On 4/6/2013 11:33 PM, Huasong Zhou wrote:
I think Comcast is using CGN too!!! My IP address displayed on my MacBook is in
the 10.0.0.0/8 range, and ARIN website can't determine my IP address either.
Joe
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:33 PM, "Joshua Smith" wrote:
Very interesting
Nope. Comcast is not using any CGN, as much as I know.
Is your MacBook directly connected to the modem or a router? I presume the
latter.
Cheers,
Rajiv
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On Apr 7, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Huasong Zhou" wrote:
> I think Comcast is using CGN too!!! My IP address displayed on my Ma
> DS-Lite is also CGN, it just happens to be done over IPv6 access. MAP is also
> CGN.
Thankfully, MAP is not CGN. Correctly stated, unlike DS-Lite, MAP doesn't
require any CGN that causes the SP network to put up with the NAT state. This
means that all the subsequent issues of CGN/DS-Lite no l
Dual-stack in the home networks will stay with us for a long time (beyond
2020!) until v4-only user devices and v4-only apps get refreshed.
Of course, this doesn't mean that the ISP access needs to stay dual-stack,
thanks to MAP, 464XLAT etc.
Cheers,
Rajiv
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On Apr 7, 2013, a
In all fairness, upgrading the legacy last-mile e.g. DSL infrastructure to
support native IPv6 may be too expensive to make any economic sense.
Note that Vz FiOS users are not affected by this. And noting that Vz has ~5.5M
FiOS HSI customers and ~3M DSL customers (per the last earning report), a
On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:25:30 -0700, Owen DeLong said:
> > Presumably nothing, as long as you guaranteed that your IP address, netmask,
> > and routes actually match the reality of your network configuration.
> They also cover the case where there are two (or more) routers on the
> network and you
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> From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)"
> Note that Vz FiOS users are not affected by this. And noting that Vz
> has ~5.5M FiOS HSI customers and ~3M DSL customers (per the last
> earning report), and noting that DSL network is not getting any new
> investment (in fact, custom
I can confirm CGN has not been deployed for Comcast customers.
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Comcast Cable
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MAP is all about stateless (NAT64 of Encapsulation) and IPv6 enabled
access. MAP makes much more sense in any SP network having its internet
customers do IPv4 address sharing and embrace IPv6.
What may make 'much more sense' in one network, doesn't necessarily make
as much since in another n
On Apr 7, 2013, at 18:47 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:25:30 -0700, Owen DeLong said:
>
>>> Presumably nothing, as long as you guaranteed that your IP address, netmask,
>>> and routes actually match the reality of your network configuration.
>
>> They also cover the
On Apr 7, 2013, at 18:21 , Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote:
> Dual-stack in the home networks will stay with us for a long time (beyond
> 2020!) until v4-only user devices and v4-only apps get refreshed.
I disagree. I think that v4-only apps and devices will get relegated to being
connected throug
On Apr 7, 2013, at 15:43 , Oliver Garraux wrote:
> If I'm an ISP deploying a network for users today, I effectively have to
> provide some mechanism to allow those users to get to IPv4 only content.
> There is way too much stuff out there that is IPv4 only today.
>
Agreed... However...
> Y
On Sun, 7 Apr 2013, Owen DeLong wrote:
I don't disagree. You are actually making the exact point I was
attempting to make. The need for CGN is not divorced from the failure to
deploy IPv6, it is caused by it.
Absolutely. That doesn't mean that any individual ISP right now can choose
to *not*
* Owen DeLong
> The need for CGN is not divorced from the failure to deploy IPv6, it
> is caused by it.
In a historical context, this is true enough. If we had accomplished
ubiquitous IPv6 deployment ten years ago, there would be no IPv4
depletion, and there would be no CGN. However, that ship ha
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