Re: Typical additional latency for CGN?

2012-10-08 Thread Alastair Johnson
On 10/7/2012 1:47 PM, Tom Limoncelli wrote: Have there been studies on how much latency CGN adds to a typical internet user? I'd also be interested in anecdotes. You are typically talking microseconds of additional latency for sessions transiting a CGN/LSN type node. aj

Re: Typical additional latency for CGN?

2012-10-08 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 03:18:56PM -0700, Cameron Byrne wrote: > On Oct 7, 2012 1:48 PM, "Tom Limoncelli" wrote: > > > > Have there been studies on how much latency CGN adds to a typical > > internet user? I'd also be interested in anecdotes. > > > > Anecdote. Sub-millasecond, with full load. (

Re: Typical additional latency for CGN?

2012-10-08 Thread Tom Limoncelli
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Daniel Roesen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 03:18:56PM -0700, Cameron Byrne wrote: >> On Oct 7, 2012 1:48 PM, "Tom Limoncelli" wrote: >> > >> > Have there been studies on how much latency CGN adds to a typical >> > internet user? I'd also be interested in anec

Re: Typical additional latency for CGN?

2012-10-08 Thread joseph . snyder
Owen DeLong wrote: > >On Oct 7, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> On Oct 7, 2012 1:48 PM, "Tom Limoncelli" wrote: >>> >>> Have there been studies on how much latency CGN adds to a typical >>> internet user? I'd also be interested in anecdotes. >>> >> >> Anecdote. Sub-millasecond,

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-08 Thread Tony Finch
On 7 Oct 2012, at 18:17, William Herrin wrote: > > Intentionally crashing the moon into the earth is a new idea. How far > should we run with it before concluding that it not only isn't a very > good one, considering it hasn't taught us anything we didn't already > know? http://www.xent.com/FoRK

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-08 Thread Tony Finch
On 6 Oct 2012, at 02:11, Michael Thomas wrote: > > Wasn't David Cheriton proposing something like this? > > http://www-dsg.stanford.edu/triad/ CCNx basically routes on URLs http://conferences.sigcomm.org/co-next/2009/papers/Jacobson.pdf Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/

RE: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-08 Thread Siegel, David
I'll identify myself as the person who asked you the question privately. Unfortunately, Barry, I still don't see a problem statement in your response. It sounds to me as though it really is nothing more than an interesting thought experiment, and there's nothing wrong with that at all as long a

Multiple Sprint Outages?

2012-10-08 Thread Eric Rosenberry
Looks like Sprint is having a very bad day today in the NW? Anybody able to elaborate on exactly where these fiber cuts are and exactly what is impacted? I see mention of several different places that things may be cut right now... We saw sporadic readability issues this AM until we downed our c

Re: Multiple Sprint Outages?

2012-10-08 Thread virendra rode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/08/2012 12:06 PM, Eric Rosenberry wrote: > Looks like Sprint is having a very bad day today in the NW? > > Anybody able to elaborate on exactly where these fiber cuts are and exactly > what is impacted? I see mention of several different plac

Re: Multiple Sprint Outages?

2012-10-08 Thread George Herbert
Yes, multiple reports on the outages list, which you should also join. Short summary: WI and Washington state separate fiber cuts. -george On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Eric Rosenberry wrote: > Looks like Sprint is having a very bad day today in the NW? > > Anybody able to elaborate on exac

Re: Multiple Sprint Outages?

2012-10-08 Thread George Herbert
As I have received multiple requests for this, blasting it out to the list: To sign up for the outages mailing list, go to: https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages-discussion The website is www.outages.org but email maintenance / list man

Re: Typical additional latency for CGN?

2012-10-08 Thread Owen DeLong
> > True, but, as we have discussed before, mobile users, especially in the US, > have dramatically lowered expectations of internet access from their mobile > devices vs. what they expect from a household ISP. > > We expect half the services we want to be crippled by mobile carriers because > th

Re: Typical additional latency for CGN?

2012-10-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:47:18 -0400, Tom Limoncelli said: > Have there been studies on how much latency CGN adds to a typical > internet user? I'd also be interested in anecdotes. Should we include the time spent talking to the help desk trying to resolve double-NAT'ing issues in the latency? p

Re: [mailop] Complicated Mailinglist Setup

2012-10-08 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Rich Kulawiec" > Any list-related traffic received on #2 will be forwarded to the MLM > and will be processed accordingly. Any list-related traffic generated > on #2 will be handed off to #1 for queueing and delivery. > > Is this what you were trying to acco

Re: Typical additional latency for CGN?

2012-10-08 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 10/8/12, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:47:18 -0400, Tom Limoncelli said: >> Have there been studies on how much latency CGN adds to a typical >> internet user? I'd also be interested in anecdotes. > Should we include the time spent talking to the help desk trying to