Re: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread John Kristoff
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:10:52 -0500 Jimmy Hess wrote: > It should be relatively safe to drop (non-fragment) packets to/from > port 0. [...] Some UDP applications will use zero as a source port when they do not expect a response, which is how many one-way UDP-based apps operate, though not all.

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-25 Thread joel jaeggli
On 7/18/12 6:24 PM, Andrey Khomyakov wrote: So some "comments" on the intertubes claim that DoD ok'd use of it's unadvertized space on private networks. Is there any official reference that may support this statement that anyone of you have seen out there? The arpanet prefix(10/8) was returned to

Re: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread Joel Maslak
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:43 AM, John Kristoff wrote: > Some UDP applications will use zero as a source port when they do not > expect a response, which is how many one-way UDP-based apps operate, > though not all. This behavior is spelled out in the IETF RFC 768: That would only be applicable

RE: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread Frank Bulk
Can netflow _properly_ "capture" whether a packet is a fragment or not? If not, does IPFIX address this? Frank -Original Message- From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:08 AM To: Roland Dobbins Cc: Frank Bulk; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DDoS usin

Re: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Joel Maslak wrote: > In addition to the fragments, these packets might also be non-TCP/UDP (ICMP, > GRE, 6to4 and other IP-IP, etc). NetFlow will report the correct protocol number. --- Roland Dobb

Re: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Can netflow _properly_ "capture" whether a packet is a fragment or not? No. > If not, does IPFIX address this? Yes. But this is all a distraction. We are now down in the weeds. Your customers were victims of a DNS reflection/amplification a

Paging Deutsche Telekom

2012-07-25 Thread James Bensley
Any DTAG engineers on list? We are having a serious problem with them at present. Cheers, James.

Re: Paging Deutsche Telekom

2012-07-25 Thread Da Shi
n...@telekom.de cip-p...@nmc-m.dtag.de for bgp related On 2012-07-25, at 12:59 PM, James Bensley wrote: > Any DTAG engineers on list? We are having a serious problem with them at > present. > > Cheers, > James.

IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
http://video.v6.labs.lacnic.net/jw/ Server can not be found since yesterday. Has the URL been changed? Tina 408-859-4996

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Tina TSOU wrote: > http://video.v6.labs.lacnic.net/jw/ > Server can not be found since yesterday. Has the URL been changed? > > did you mean to email the lacnic folks?

RE: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
We got offline after discussion in NANOG in May. This IPv6 only streaming video worked well until recently. We use it in my enterprise network. I just could not find his contact in my mailbox. So I hope he can find me again. Does the link accessible from your IPv6 host? Tina @ 2001:db8:1::e8

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Arturo Servin
Oh! We had it as a test service. We didn't know that it was been used by more people, so probably somebody turn it off. I will look around to restart it. Thanks! as On 25 Jul 2012, at 15:37, Tina TSOU wrote: > We got offline after discussion in NANOG in May. This IPv6

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Arturo Servin
The licence expired. We will see if we can get another one. Cheers, as On 25 Jul 2012, at 15:58, Arturo Servin wrote: > > Oh! > > We had it as a test service. We didn't know that it was been used by > more people, so probably somebody turn it off. > > I wi

RE: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
Dear all, If you know there is any testing or commercial IPv6 only streaming video we can access, let me know. Thank you. Tina > -Original Message- > From: Arturo Servin [mailto:aser...@lacnic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:14 PM > To: Tina TSOU > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Tina TSOU wrote: > Dear all, > If you know there is any testing or commercial IPv6 only streaming video we > can access, let me know. > Thank you. youtube will stream at you over ipv6 ... did you just need some thing to stream at you over ipv6? I think you can ev

RE: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
My enterprise users need to turn off IPv4 on their hosts to experience YouTube IPv6 only streaming video. Courtesy to Owen. It is an enterprise network here, I can't dictate for everyone. Some people prefer dual stack host, some people prefer IPv6 only host. Youtube works in our IPv6 only host a

RE: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread Drew Weaver
Another nice "emerging" tool [I say emerging because it's been around forever but nobody implements it] to deal with this is Flowspec, using flowspec you can instruct your Upstream to block traffic with much more granular characteristics. Instead of dropping all traffic to the IP address, you ca

Re: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Joel Maslak writes: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:43 AM, John Kristoff wrote: > > > Some UDP applications will use zero as a source port when they do not > > expect a response, which is how many one-way UDP-based apps operate, > > though not all. This behavior is spelled out in the

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Randy Bush
> My enterprise users it is generally best if vendors do not speak for users and vice versa randy

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Tina TSOU wrote: > My enterprise users need to turn off IPv4 on their hosts to experience > YouTube IPv6 only streaming video. Courtesy to Owen. I think if you have a dual-stack host you'll just get the v6 version of stream... I suppose there are happy-eyeball ca

Re: Weekly Routing Table Report

2012-07-25 Thread Geoff Huston
On 21/07/2012, at 6:40 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Ron Broersma wrote: > >> >> On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:04 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:10:41 +1000, Routing Analysis Role Account said: BGP routing table entries examined:

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
Dear Randy, I'm responsible for IPv6 deployment in my enterprise network, the users are my colleagues. In this context, I'm not vendor, not operator. Tina On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:20 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote: >> My enterprise users > > it is generally best if vendors do not speak for users and vic

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 7/25/12 13:15 , Tina TSOU wrote: > Dear all, > If you know there is any testing or commercial IPv6 only streaming video we > can access, let me know. > Thank you. speaking as a content provider, ipv6-only service requests are misguided. > Tina > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Artu

Re: DDoS using port 0 and 53 (DNS)

2012-07-25 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Drew Weaver wrote: > Another nice "emerging" tool [I say emerging because it's been around forever > but nobody implements it] to deal with this is Flowspec, using flowspec you > can instruct your Upstream to block traffic with much more granular > characteristics.

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-25 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: > No, reusing somebody's prefix is A Very Bad Idea. Concur 100%. There is no security value to doing this whatsoever - quite the opposite, given the possible negative consequences to reachability and, thus, availability. --

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
Dear Joel, Who requests IPv6 only service? Tina On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:48 PM, "Joel jaeggli" wrote: > On 7/25/12 13:15 , Tina TSOU wrote: >> Dear all, >> If you know there is any testing or commercial IPv6 only streaming video we >> can access, let me know. >> Thank you. > > speaking as a cont

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Randy Bush
> I'm responsible for IPv6 deployment in my enterprise network, the > users are my colleagues. In this context, I'm not vendor, not > operator. i smell cows

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 7/25/12 21:43 , Tina TSOU wrote: > Dear Joel, > Who requests IPv6 only service? you did... check the title of this thread. > Tina > > On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:48 PM, "Joel jaeggli" wrote: > >> On 7/25/12 13:15 , Tina TSOU wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> If you know there is any testing or commercial

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
Do u mean I am a cow? I stop breast feeding this year. Tina On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:47 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote: >> I'm responsible for IPv6 deployment in my enterprise network, the >> users are my colleagues. In this context, I'm not vendor, not >> operator. > > i smell cows

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Tina TSOU
Oh I did not, because we have been using http://video.v6.labs.lacnic.net/jw/, and it stopped working recently, and I could not find the contact any more, so I came back to NANOG list which we were connected. Tina On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:48 PM, "Joel jaeggli" mailto:joe...@bogus.com>> wrote: On

Re: IPv6 only streaming video

2012-07-25 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 7/25/12 21:59 , Tina TSOU wrote: > Oh I did not, because we have been > using http://video.v6.labs.lacnic.net/jw/, and it stopped working > recently, and I could not find the contact any more, so I came back to > NANOG list which we were connected. I think you'll find content providers have lit