Re: Which P-Touch should I have?

Subject: Re: Which P-Touch should I have? Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 07:45:29PM -0500 Quoting William Herrin (b...@herrin.us): > For cable labeling I've had good results with 3M Scotch Super88 color > electrical tape. Pick unique color bands for each cable. Band it > identically at both ends. Yo

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

> I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes > well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack & > stack" tasks, which I feel is a very unwise use of time and talent. It's not a waste, it's therapeutic, breaks the monotony of a desk job, you get a bit of exercise. Do

RE: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

> With apologies to Randy, let the CCNAs fight with label makers. No, your CTO shouldn't be racking and stacking routers all the time. The fundamental concept of an organizational hierarchy dictates that. But a CTO who has lost touch with the challenges inherent in racking and stacking a rou

Re: Anonymous planning a root-servers party

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:36:32PM +, George Bakos wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > As I hadn't seen it discussed here, I'll have to assume that many > NANOGers haven't seen the latest rant from Anonymous: There's nothing proving that it comes from the Anonymous (the name is itse

Re: Anonymous planning a root-servers party

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 04:40:47PM -0600, Grant Ridder wrote a message of 23 lines which said: > If i remember right, another group tried to take down the root > servers within the past 5 or 6 years and only took out around 20 or > 25. No need to remember, Wikipedia does it for you

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: > No, your CTO shouldn't  be racking and stacking routers all the time.  The > fundamental concept of an organizational hierarchy dictates that.  But a CTO > who has lost touch with the challenges inherent in racking and stacking a > rout

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

+1 I picked up ram from a supplier today. Could have used a courier, but getting out of the office is vital. A CTO who's lost touch because they haven't been to a remote site in half a decade is a business risk, more so than the CTO being away from their desk. If there is business risk fr

Re: Which P-Touch should I have?

Subject: RE: Which P-Touch should I have? Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20:37PM -0600 Quoting Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. (chi...@chipps.com): > I don't suppose anyone follows the TIA-606-B Administration Standard for the > Telecommunications Infrastructure of Commercial Buildings when labeling > thin

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:17 AM, Brandon Butterworth wrote: >> I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes >> well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack & >> stack" tasks, which I feel is a very unwise use of time and talent. > > It's not a waste, it's therapeutic,

RE: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

I think it was Miagi in Karate Kid that stressed balance. The CTO who is NEVER out of his cage is dangerous, likewise the one that is never available is also. It is keeping in touch with what is happening at all levels that makes him valuable. If there is one thing that American Management misse

Spam from Telx

So, anyone else get spammed by Telx after posting to nanog? This is massively unprofessional. Nick Original Message Subject: RE: telx Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:47:25 + From: George Fitzpatrick To: Hi , We have some excitin

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

I was once advising a client on a transit purchasing decision, and a fairly-large, now-defunct tier-2 ISP was being considered. We needed a few questions about their IPv6 plans answered before we were comfortable. The CTO of that org was the only guy who was able to answer these questions. Aft

RE: Spam from Telx

He has spammed by responding to posts that people have made in the past, he is still trolling I guess. James -Original Message- From: Nick Hilliard [mailto:n...@foobar.org] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:01 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Spam from Telx So, anyone else get spammed by

Re: Anonymous planning a root-servers party

the zionist usa regime does a far better job at taking icann out of the loop as a resolvable root than anonymous will ever able to do :P (time to change the root.hints to a competing root ;) the internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it, remember that one :P so can special ag

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

Hi, Or sometimes you don't let a hazardous task like handling a Carrier Class Router to your CCNA in case they injure themself. Or worst... drop it =D ( From an actual experience ) - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-C

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Brandon Butterworth wrote: It's not a waste, it's therapeutic, breaks the monotony of a desk job, you get a bit of exercise. Doing something mindless can help clear your thoughts, engineering yoga. Definite +1 here. I got my start in this profession 15-ish years ago at a

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

Hrm. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > It's not a waste, it's therapeutic, breaks the monotony of a desk > job, you get a bit of exercise. Doing something mindless can help > clear your thoughts, engineering yoga. This. One of the reasons I love my job so much is tha

Re: Spam from Telx

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Nick Hilliard wrote: So, anyone else get spammed by Telx after posting to nanog? This is massively unprofessional. Yep - just got one a few minutes ago. I was just getting ready to spin up my trolling-for-business-by-scraping-addresses-from-nanog-is-bad-mojo response.

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

actually most west european countries have laws against having your employees lift up stuff heavier than 20 kilos :P you generally don't have insurance on your network-dude to handle such things *grin* if it drops on his foot, you're screwed. (or worse, on his hand ;) looking at the latest m

Re: Spam from Telx

\o/ i got one too, i'll put a bunch of sales droids on this "George" from telx right away to make him an offer in return *grin* (this is how you treat ppl trying to sell you something in an aggressive manner, you just have your people try to sell -them- something in return ;) On Fri, 17 Feb

Re: Spam from Telx

Ya, i got a message 2 days ago from them. It was very vague. Only 2 sentences. -Grant On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > So, anyone else get spammed by Telx after posting to nanog? >> >> This is massively unprofessional.

Re: Common operational misconceptions

In a message written on Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:50:11PM -1000, Paul Graydon wrote: > At the same time, it's shocking how many network people I come across > with no real grasp of even what OSI means by each layer, even if it's > only in theory. Just having a grasp of that makes all the world of

Re: Common operational misconceptions

This list is awesome. Is anyone consolidating it? I'm still catching up on the thread -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 2/17/2012 1:05 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 07:50, Paul Graydon wrote: what OSI means Yet another common misconception poppin

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: actually most west european countries have laws against having your employees lift up stuff heavier than 20 kilos :P IT job postings in the US often include physical qualifiers such as "must be able to lift weights of up to 50 pounds (~22.7 kilos

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

In a message written on Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:29:36AM -0500, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > Randy's P-Touch thread brings up an issue I think is worth some > discussion. I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes > well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack & > stack"

RE: Common operational misconceptions

Actually I taught in a three year tech program for a while and although trouble shooting was not in the curriculum, and as far as I know it isn't anywhere, several of us adjunct faculty did teach it and got reprimanded for it as part of our classes. So much for the education industry understanding

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Let me simplify that. If you are over 35 you know how to troubleshoot. Yes, I'm going to get flamed. Yes, there are exceptions in both directions. -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 2/17/2012 8:29 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:50

Re: Spam from Telx

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: \o/ i got one too, i'll put a bunch of sales droids on this "George" from telx right away to make him an offer in return *grin* I did respond directly to him, and got a somewhat indignant response back, stating that he had no idea what I was talk

Re: Spam from Telx

I didn't even respond. I think many of these high-pressure-aggressive-types always have an answer like that conveniently vague enough as to give them an "out". On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > > \o/ i got one too, i'l

RE: Common operational misconceptions

+1 Mario Eirea From: Leo Bicknell [bickn...@ufp.org] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:29 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Common operational misconceptions In a message written on Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:50:11PM -1000, Paul Graydon wrote: > At the sam

RE: Common operational misconceptions

Hammer, you are at least 75% right. You will get flamed and in most cases, the 35 year age is close to right. But then in Programming where I spent most of my IT time since Feb 1963, few current programmers have skills that they need to be really successful. Same thing. It is the fault of t

Re: Spam from Telx

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Charles Mills wrote: I didn't even respond. I think many of these high-pressure-aggressive-types always have an answer like that conveniently vague enough as to give them an "out". I did mention to him that such tactics were likely to create a large group of people who w

Re: Spam from Telx

In other words he bought a list of leads. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > I did respond directly to him, and got a somewhat indignant response back, > stating that he had no idea what I was talking about and that my contact > information had come from an "opt in email

Re: Spam from Telx

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: In other words he bought a list of leads. Possibly, albeit a poorly screened list of leads. jms On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: I did respond directly to him, and got a somewhat indignant response back, stating

Re: Spam from Telx

needless to say their own website is slow as poo through a coffee filter :P reminds me of the isdn days :P -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG = Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE2672

Re: Spam from Telx

we have something exitig happening at telx! we are now connected to the "backbone" through a 128kbit/s adsl line! -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG = Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID:

RE: Common operational misconceptions

Well, I will argue this. I think the important factor in any troubleshooting is having a real understanding of how the system works. That is, how different things interact with each others to achieve a specific goal. The biggest problem I see is that many people understand understand the individ

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On 2/17/2012 1:05 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 07:50, Paul Graydon wrote: what OSI means Yet another common misconception popping up: -- You can talk about the OSI model in the present tense (That said -- yes, it is still useful as a set of simple terms for certain combin

Re: Spam from Telx

No he didnt. The one he sent to me actually included part of the thread he picked me up from. I told him the most exciting thing he could do is to not spam me again. Poor guy, did nobody tell him? -- Leigh Porter On 17 Feb 2012, at 15:11, "Justin M. Streiner" wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012,

Re: Common operational misconceptions

I agree with this 100%. Having worked with many people over the last 40 years, the good trouble shooters understood how things were suppose to work. This helps immeasurably in determining where to start looking. On 02/17/2012 10:12 AM, Mario Eirea wrote: Well, I will argue this. I think the i

Re: Spam from Telx

In message , "Justin M . Streiner" writes: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > > > \o/ i got one too, i'll put a bunch of sales droids on this "George" from > > telx right away to make him an offer in return *grin* > > I did respond directly to him, and got a somewhat indignant r

Re: Common operational misconceptions

>From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com >Sigh... NAT is a horrible hack that served us all too well in address >conservation. Beyond that, it is merely a source of pain. I understand why you say that - NAT did yeoman's work in address conservation.  However, it also enabled (yes, really) lots of top

Re: Spam from Telx

On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Mark Andrews wrote: I did respond directly to him, and got a somewhat indignant response back, stating that he had no idea what I was talking about and that my contact information had come from an "opt in email broker". It's going to be one of those days It's a little

Which way to fold the label (was: Re: time sink 42)

- Original Message - > From: "Karl Auer" > On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 17:17 -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > > Fold one of the corners of the label, just a tiny corner, back towards > > > the backing paper, then forward. > > > It matters which way you bend, because of the relative stiffness of

Re: Hi speed trading - hi speed monitoring

- Original Message - > From: "Paul Graydon" > Anecdotally, I had an interview years ago for a small-ish futures > trading company based in London. The interviewer had to pause the > interview part way through whilst he investigated a 10ms latency spike > that the traders were noticing on

Re: Common operational misconceptions

- Original Message - > From: "Ridwan Sami" > There is no legitimate reason for a user to use BitTorrent (someone > will probably disagree with this). Yeah, no. You've clearly never tried to download a Linux installer DVD. Cheers, -- jr 'among dozens of other legitimate uses' a -- Jay

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:29 AM, -Hammer- wrote: > This list is awesome. Is anyone consolidating it? I'm still catching up on > the thread I was thinking of making a checklist out of it. - Jared

Re: Spam from Telx

I've been getting voicemails from someone, leaving a first name only saying they have question that only I can answer. Dangling bait like that is a big red flag so they don't get a callback. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Justin M. Streiner < strei...@cluebyfour.org> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2

One solution -- time sink 42

Here's a little trick that works really well for those types of labels. Have you watched professional wrappers at Christmas time curling ribbon with a pair of scissors? It works for removing the backing from the labels as well. Hold the backing of the label against the side of a pair of sci

Re: Common operational misconceptions

There is no legitimate reason for a user to use BitTorrent (someone will probably disagree with this). There is no democratic basis -for- copy"right", so far for "legitimate".

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Well said. An American tragedy. -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 2/17/2012 9:01 AM, Brandt, Ralph wrote: Hammer, you are at least 75% right. You will get flamed and in most cases, the 35 year age is close to right. But then in Programming where I spent most of my IT t

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On 2/17/2012 9:18 AM, Steve Clark wrote: Having worked with many people over the last 40 years, the good trouble shooters understood how things were suppose to work. This helps immeasurably in determining where to start looking. Ran into this not too long ago with a transport problem. The be

Re: Spam from Telx

Once upon a time, Justin M. Streiner said: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > >\o/ i got one too, i'll put a bunch of sales droids on this "George" from > >telx right away to make him an offer in return *grin* > > I did respond directly to him, and got a somewhat indignant respon

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Mario, I was kinda having fun and kinda not. My point is that the 40-50 year olds that were doing this 30 years ago grew up understanding things in order. Bits. Bytes. KiloBits. KiloBytes. (Some folks still get those confused). Hex. etc. Move on to the OSI model and it's the same thing. Vo

Re: Common operational misconceptions

If you do, please share it. Thank you. -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd" -Jack Herer On 2/17/2012 9:36 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:29 AM, -Hammer- wrote: This list is awesome. Is anyone consolidating it? I'm still catching up on the thread I was thinking of ma

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Original poster who started thread said he would. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:51 AM, -Hammer- wrote: > If you do, please share it. Thank you. > > > -Hammer- > > "I was a normal American nerd" > -Jack Herer > > > > On 2/17/2012 9:36 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:29 AM, -Hammer-

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:29:42 -0600 -Hammer- wrote: > This list is awesome. Is anyone consolidating it? I'm still catching > up on the thread I'm collecting all responses, many of which have been sent to me off list. I was waiting for the thread to eventually end before summarizing it. Than

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On 2/17/2012 10:04 AM, John Kristoff wrote: I was waiting for the thread to eventually end Greatest misconception of all. Jack

RE: Common operational misconceptions

> > It depends on how you define "work well". > > As the RFC says: > >indication of some significantly disruptive event in the network, >such as a router failure or a routing change to a path with a > smaller >MTU. > > it can not react against PMTU changes very well. > > It is seem

RE: Common operational misconceptions

I definitely understand and agree with what you saying. Actually, most my friends are over 50 years old... I do agree with you on the generational statement. My argument was that many people over 35 have no idea what they are doing, and some under 35 do know what they are doing. On thing is for

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On 2/17/2012 10:18 AM, Steve Clark wrote: I agree with this 100%. Having worked with many people over the last 40 years, the good trouble shooters understood how things were suppose to work. This helps immeasurably in determining where to start looking. This is dead on and why I always sta

RE: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

> -Original Message- > From: Jeff Wheeler > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:30 PM > To: NANOG > Subject: common time-management mistake: rack & stack > > Randy's P-Touch thread brings up an issue I think is worth some > discussion. I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, some

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:33:12AM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Ridwan Sami" > > > There is no legitimate reason for a user to use BitTorrent (someone > > will probably disagree with this). > > Yeah, no. > > You've clearly never tried to download a Linux

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:48, Jack Bates wrote: > > > On 2/17/2012 9:18 AM, Steve Clark wrote: >> Having worked with many people over the last 40 years, the good trouble >> shooters understood how things >> were suppose to work. This helps immeasurably in determining where to >>

RE: One solution -- time sink 42

My crappy PT-80 has this little slot in the top built for doing just this..it works pseudo-magically! Jesse Krembs - Data Network Architecture & Planning FairPoint Communications | 800 Hinesburg Rd, South Burlington, VT 05403 | jkre...@fairpoint.com www.FairPoint.com| 802.951.1519 office | 802.735

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 06:52, -Hammer- wrote: > Let me simplify that. If you are over 35 you know how to troubleshoot. > > Yes, I'm going to get flamed. Yes, there are exceptions in both directions. "Necessity is the mother of invention" Long before there was a Grainger (and Home Depot) in ever

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 08:46:02AM -0800, Mike Lyon wrote: > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:48, Jack Bates wrote: > > > > > > > On 2/17/2012 9:18 AM, Steve Clark wrote: > >> Having worked with many people over the last 40 years, the good trouble > >> shooters understood how things

Re: Common operational misconceptions

I often struggle with the concept of teaching someone how to troubleshoot. We have young guys coming in all the time and it is often an area in which they need to hone their skills. I found this article a while back and I keep it bookmarked, its the best article I've seen that lays it all out pre

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On 2/17/12 06:18 , Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > actually most west european countries have laws against having your > employees lift up stuff heavier than 20 kilos :P > > you generally don't have insurance on your network-dude to handle such > things *grin* if it drops on his foot, you're screwed.

RE: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

> -Original Message- > From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:46 AM > To: NANOG > Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack > Low level employees should be apprenticed by higher level employees. > Many of our skills are learned on

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

would have been good to know to whom you were replying, not in To: or in pre-quote text. >> I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes >> well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack & >> stack" tasks, which I feel is a very unwise use of time and talent. > > It'

Re: Common operational misconceptions

wasn't tv already tackled by dvb-iptv + multicast (oh wait, multicast, that stuff that hardly ever globally works on ipv4 ;) (yes, i'm that old that i even know what a tv was ;) On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:33:12AM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Origin

Re: Hi speed trading - hi speed monitoring

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:30:33AM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Paul Graydon" > > > Anecdotally, I had an interview years ago for a small-ish futures > > trading company based in London. The interviewer had to pause the > > interview part way through whilst

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM, George Bonser wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org] > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:46 AM > > To: NANOG > > Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack > > > Low level employees should be ap

RE: Common operational misconceptions

> > I wouldn't call it a "misconception", but I want to echo Paul's > comment. I would venture over 90% of the engineers I work with have no > idea how to troubleshoot properly. Thinking back to my own education, > I don't recall anyone in highschool or college attempting to teach > troubleshoot

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Mark Grigsby writes: > Speaking in the context of configuring an ipsec tunnel.. Once upon a time: Admin: "We need Port 50 and Port 51 for the tunnel!" Me:"You mean IP protocol 50 and 51?" Admin: "It the same! You have no clue!" Jens --

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:18:57AM -0500, Steve Clark wrote: > I agree with this 100%. > > Having worked with many people over the last 40 years, the good trouble > shooters understood how things > were suppose to work. This helps immeasurably in determining where to start > looking. Don't forg

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Mathias Wolkert writes: > Autoneg. The old timers that don't trust it after a few decades of > decent code. Or those that lock one side and expect the other to adjust > to that. Autoneg is black magic. Doesn't work. You have manually configure duplex and speed on one side 1! SCNR Jens --

RE: Common operational misconceptions

> BTW, I am a school board member who votes 1:8 often on things But > let me give you a perspective, one of the board members called Golf an > "Essential Life Skill." Maybe, but how about balancing a checkbook... > > Ralph Brandt > Communications Engineer > HP Enterprise Services One of the

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

Jeff Wheeler writes: > With apologies to Randy, let the CCNAs fight with label makers. Yeah. And you need do be at last CCNP to switch a module in a router. Had this request last year. I first thought that some troubleshooting / configuration was involved but it was just replacing a module. J

RE: Spam from Telx

> So, anyone else get spammed by Telx after posting to nanog? > > This is massively unprofessional. > > Nick Yep. I shot a complaint to customerserv...@telx.com. Assuming Mr. Fitzpatrick does not control that portion of the company, it may be of value for other recipients of his spam to do

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Jens Link wrote: Mathias Wolkert writes: Autoneg. The old timers that don't trust it after a few decades of decent code. Or those that lock one side and expect the other to adjust to that. you are referring to ehh *kuch* certain internet exchanges *kuch* ? :P auto mdi

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:33 AM, John Osmon wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:18:57AM -0500, Steve Clark wrote: > I agree with this 100%. > > Having worked with many people over the last 40 years, the good trouble > shooters understood how things > were suppose to work. This helps immeasurably in

RE: Common operational misconceptions

> Long before there was a Grainger (and Home Depot) in every city, and > you could get parts shipped overnight, one had to "make do", and > "making do" meant being able to figure things out to be able to "git r > done" > with what you had on hand, or could figure out. > > When working on my Grandf

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 23:29, Jeff Wheeler wrote: ... > Imagine if the CFO of a bank spent a big chunk of his time filling up ATMs. > Flying a sharp router jockey around to far-flung POPs to install gear > is just as foolish. There is a theory of management that says a good manager needs to know

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On 2/17/2012 12:00 PM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > If the TV went on the blink (they all did then), you opened up the > back, looked for fried components, and if one of the resistors was > smoking, you soldered in a replacement. Or you took the tubes down to > the local drugstore and tested them. Wow

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

On Feb 16, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > Randy's P-Touch thread brings up an issue I think is worth some > discussion. I have noticed that a lot of very well-paid, sometimes > well-qualified, networking folks spend some of their time on "rack & > stack" tasks, which I feel is a very u

Re: Hi speed trading - hi speed monitoring

On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Paul Graydon" > >> Anecdotally, I had an interview years ago for a small-ish futures >> trading company based in London. The interviewer had to pause the >> interview part way through whilst he investigat

Re: Common operational misconceptions

I am grateful you have not used the hardware I have in the past 15 years. I haven't seen anything recently not do it, but when interfacing with a customer who knows what old stuff they may be using. Jared Mauch On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > auto mdi/mii breaks teh

RE: Common operational misconceptions

> > Wow... would be handy if Radio Shack stocked router modules and > blades, > and chassis to test your suspect ones? :) > > (Yes, remember the tube testers as well...) > > Jeff Heh, that's been a notion I have had for a while. Opening an all-night shop somewhere in Silicon Valley that so

Re: Anonymous planning a root-servers party

- Original Message - > From: "Sven Olaf Kamphuis" > the internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it, > remember that one :P Not only do we remember it, I believe John's on this list. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@bay

RE: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

> From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:54 PM > To: Jeff Wheeler > Cc: NANOG > Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 23:29, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > ... > > Imagine if the CFO of a bank spent a bi

Re: common time-management mistake: rack & stack

- Original Message - > From: "Leo Bicknell" > Maybe if we did more apprecenship style learning folks would still > know how to wrap cables with wax string. It's simple, fast, and works well. Cue the obligatory cabling porn thread. Cheers, -- jr 'and aren't all the old Bell guys dead now

Re: Common operational misconceptions

In a message written on Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 06:06:52PM +, George Bonser wrote: > Heh, that's been a notion I have had for a while. Opening an all-night shop > somewhere in Silicon Valley that sold patch cords, memory sticks, disk > drives, maybe even common router blades, optics modules, f

Re: Common operational misconceptions

- Original Message - > From: "Mike Andrews" > > > Which is a common transport problem I often see, "Our > > > configuration looks right, it must be on your end." > > > > If i had a dollar for everytime i've heard that from a telco, i'd be > > a rich man... > > That and "I'm getting a goo

RE: Common operational misconceptions

To find counterfeit they teach you what good money looks like. When you are looking at a sniffer trace you are generally looking for something that is not right. Ralph Brandt Communications Engineer HP Enterprise Services Telephone +1 717.506.0802 FAX +1 717.506.4358 Email ralph.bra...@pateam.

Re: Common operational misconceptions

Leo Bicknell writes: > I've repeatedly asked $BIG_COLO_PROVIDERS to offer a vending machine > in the lobby next to the one with sodas that sold Cat 5, Fiber, > SFP's, USB sticks, and so on. Hmm. http://gearomat.com/ Jens -- ---

Re: Common operational misconceptions

On 02/17/2012 04:29 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:50:11PM -1000, Paul Graydon wrote: At the same time, it's shocking how many network people I come across with no real grasp of even what OSI means by each layer, even if it's only in theory. Just having

WW: Colo Vending Machine

Please post your top 3 favorite components/parts you'd like to see in a vending machine at your colo; please be as specific as possible; don't let vendor specificity scare you off. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer

Re: Hi speed trading - hi speed monitoring

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:01:36 EST, Rodrick Brown said: > Trades today in the equity markets must be within the national best bid, best > offer price range or companies can be fined by the SEC which is why latency > an jitter can be problematic in financial networks. Am I the only one who thinks tha

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