Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?

2010-05-03 Thread Randy Bush
> Just to clarify, there are both domestic transit and country specific > paid peering products out there in Asia/Pacific region. and europe. and ... randy

MikroTik strikes again ?

2010-05-03 Thread Adrian M
MikroTik strikes again ? %BGP-6-ASPATH: Long AS path ... 39412 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 3

Re: MikroTik strikes again ?

2010-05-03 Thread Bret Clark
Uhmokay...but why does anyone prepend their ASN that much? Are you saying the Mikrotik did that on purpose? Adrian M wrote: MikroTik strikes again ? %BGP-6-ASPATH: Long AS path ... 39412 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 3

RE: MikroTik strikes again ?

2010-05-03 Thread Tim Warnock
> Adrian M wrote: > > MikroTik strikes again ? > > > > %BGP-6-ASPATH: Long AS path ... 39412 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 > > 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 > > From: Bret Clark [mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com] > Sent: Monday, 3 May 2010 8:26 PM > To: nanog@nano

Re: MikroTik strikes again ?

2010-05-03 Thread Christian
It's not really a bug, only a matter of habbit I guess :) I read this some time ago in nanog list: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2009/02/longer-is-not-better.shtml regards, Christian Bret Clark wrote: Uhmokay...but why does anyone prepend their ASN that much? Are you saying the Mikrotik did t

Re: MikroTik strikes again ?

2010-05-03 Thread Bret Clark
Tim Warnock wrote: Adrian M wrote: MikroTik strikes again ? %BGP-6-ASPATH: Long AS path ... 39412 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 From: Bret Clark [mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com] Sent: Monday, 3 May 2010 8:26 PM To:

Re: MikroTik strikes again ?

2010-05-03 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On Monday 03 May 2010 11:25:45 Bret Clark wrote: > Uhmokay...but why does anyone prepend their ASN that much? Are you > saying the Mikrotik did that on purpose? > There was a well-known routing incident last year in which a difference between the Mikrotik and Cisco CLIs caused the propagati

Root Zone DNSSEC Deployment Technical Status Update

2010-05-03 Thread Joe Abley
Root Zone DNSSEC Deployment Technical Status Update 2010-05-03 This is the fifth of a series of technical status updates intended to inform a technical audience on progress in signing the root zone of the DNS. ** The final transition to the DURZ will take place on ** J-Root, on 2010-05-05 betw

IPv6 Ripeness

2010-05-03 Thread Vesna Manojlovic
[warning - statistics!] Dear colleagues, we have published an article on the RIPE Labs about the IPv6 Ripeness - a method of rating the v6 deployment of LIRs (Local Internet Registries) in RIPE NCC service region: http://labs.ripe.net/content/ipv6-ripeness In total: 8% of all (6.7K) LIRs ha

Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?

2010-05-03 Thread Will Hargrave
On 3 May 2010, at 05:27, Matthew Petach wrote: > In Asia, there is a popular, but incorrectly named product offering > that many ISPs sell called "domestic transit" which they sell > for price $X; for "full routes" you often pay $2X-$3X. I grind my > teeth every time I hear it, since "transit" do

Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?

2010-05-03 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 3, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Will Hargrave wrote: > On 3 May 2010, at 05:27, Matthew Petach wrote: >> In Asia, there is a popular, but incorrectly named product offering >> that many ISPs sell called "domestic transit" which they sell >> for price $X; for "full routes" you often pay $2X-$3X. I gri

any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread Bill Bogstad
Like many people, I can't justify the expense of "commercial" IP connectivity for my residence. As a result, I deal with dynamic IP addresses; dns issues; and limitations on the services that I can host at my residence. It just struck me that in the same way that IPv6 connectivity can be done via

Re: any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread Brandon Galbraith
http://www.google.com/search?q=vpn+service Encryption would be a side benefit for your purpose. On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > Like many people, I can't justify the expense of "commercial" IP > connectivity for my residence. As a result, I deal with dynamic IP > addresse

Re: any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Mon, 3 May 2010 14:12:45 -0400 Bill Bogstad wrote: > Like many people, I can't justify the expense of "commercial" IP > connectivity for my residence. As a result, I deal with dynamic IP > addresses; dns issues; and limitations on the services that I can host > at my residence. It just struc

Re: any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12, Bill Bogstad wrote: > Like many people, I can't justify the expense of "commercial" IP > connectivity for my residence.  As a result, I deal with dynamic IP > addresses; dns issues; and limitations on the services that I can host > at my residence. Not sure where yo

Re: any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread Bill Stewart
> On Mon, 3 May 2010 14:12:45 -0400 > Bill Bogstad wrote: >> Like many people, I can't justify the expense of "commercial" IP >> connectivity for my residence.  As a result, I deal with dynamic IP .. On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > Holly shit... Where do you live? In U

Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?

2010-05-03 Thread Bill Stewart
Back when I was on that side of the house, if you bought transit from 7018 and were managing your own routers, you got your choice of BGP or static, and BGP could have full routes, our-customer routes, default routes, and maybe some other variants. No charge for any of those options, but if you wa

Re: any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread William Pitcock
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 14:12 -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: > Like many people, I can't justify the expense of "commercial" IP > connectivity for my residence. As a result, I deal with dynamic IP > addresses; dns issues; and limitations on the services that I can host > at my residence. It just struck

Re: any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread Steven Bellovin
> > > - many ISPs, especially cable modem, have annoying policies that say > you can't run a server at home. But many don't. Right. Often, this is due to a combination of technology limitations -- with DSL, upstream and downstream bandwidths are tradeoffs; with cable modems, limited upstream

Re: any "bring your own bandwidth" IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-03 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 2010 14:12:45 -0400 > Holly shit... Where do you live? In Ukraine we have almost no > difference (well it is different from one company to another) between > commercial and residental setups. At least it is so with smaller > p

Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-03 Thread Srikanth Sundaresan
I'm trying to model ADSL access link bandwidth shaping. With a link of 18Mbps, I'm using a token bucket filter (tc + netem) to model 10Mbps, 8Mbps and 2Mbps access plans. I have a couple of questions: - do ISPs typically use token bucket filters with large bursts to shape traffic? - what kind of b

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-03 Thread Patrick Giagnocavo
Srikanth Sundaresan wrote: > I'm trying to model ADSL access link bandwidth shaping. With a link of > 18Mbps, I'm using a token bucket filter (tc + netem) to model 10Mbps, > 8Mbps and 2Mbps access plans. I have a couple of questions: > > - do ISPs typically use token bucket filters with large burs

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-03 Thread Aria Stewart
On May 3, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: >> - do ISPs typically use token bucket filters with large bursts to shape >> traffic? >> - what kind of burst sizes and latencies/limits are typically used for >> the filter? >> > > You will definitely have to account for latency. > > For