wanted: your old NAT home router

Hi, for a measurement study done together with Markku Kojo's team at the University of Helsinki, we're looking to collect as many different NAT home routers as possible. If you have an old clunker lying around somewhere, please contact me off-list. I'll cover shipping via DHL. Feel free to forw

Re: SMW4 Routing Implications

> What have been the routing implications in regards to internet traffic > with SMW4 cable beign down? though i am sure there are experts who will answer, that question is not formally answerable as o if you are strictly talking about routing, then we have a problem of visibility. i.e. the

Re: wanted: your old NAT home router

Lars Eggert (lars.eggert) writes: > Hi, > > for a measurement study done together with Markku Kojo's team at the > University of Helsinki, we're looking to collect as many different NAT home > routers as possible. If you have an old clunker lying around somewhere, > please contact me off-list.

Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:33:02 +1000 Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message , David > Conrad > writes: > > Mark, > > > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > >> Perhaps the ability to change service providers without having to = > > renumber? > > >=20 > > > We have that ability alre

Re: wanted: your old NAT home router

Hi, On 2010-4-29, at 13:49, Phil Regnauld wrote: > What about getting someone to donate an old DSLAM ? Wouldn't that help > ? it certainly would, in the longer term. I've also been pointed at "mini-DSLAMs" that are reasonably cheap. (We're planning to have a first draft study ready mid-

Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:04:25 -0500 Dave Pooser wrote: > > IPv6's fundamental goal is to restore end-to-end. > > For some. For many, IPv6's fundamental goal is to keep doing what we've been > doing without running out of addresses. The fact that the two camps have > orthogonal goals is probably p

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:46:04 -0700 Jim Burwell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 4/26/2010 03:36, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > >> I fail to see how link local is any more difficult than any > >> other IPv6 address. > >

Re: Anyone from UUNET.CA around.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:56:03 +1000 Mark Andrews wrote: > > --- Forwarded Message [snip] > > : host firewall.verizonbusiness.com[199.249.25.205] said: 530 > 5.7.1 This system is not an open relay.: n...@uunet.ca (in reply to RCPT > TO > command) I sent verizonbusiness a complaint a

RE: Starting up a WiMAX ISP

Hi, Based on what the markets currently offers and what your potential customers need, you can figure out the packages that you could to sell (Internet, voip, vpn, guaranteed bandwidth...). This would give you the resources that should be considered per customer. It would also give you a hint to

RE: [only half OT] A socio-psychological analysis of the first internetwar (Estonia)

No GPL for the full paper, huh? Back to the cathedral What's the toll in case I can get some buddies to pitch-in to buy access to the full content? -Original Message- From: Gadi Evron [mailto:g...@linuxbox.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:51 PM To: NANOG Subject: [only ha

Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Here's an exercise.  Wipe a PC.  Put it on that cable modem with no >> firewall.  Install XP on it.  See if you can get any service packs installed >> before the box is infected. > 1.      Yes, I can.  I simply didn't put an IPv4 address on

Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

David Conrad wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Carl Rosevear wrote: I don't understand why anyone thinks NAT should be a fundamental part of the v6 internet Perhaps the ability to change service providers without having to renumber? Number your internal network on ULA, and put public

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:46:04 -0700 > Jim Burwell wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 4/26/2010 03:36, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> I fail to see how link local

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > The vast majority of residential customers have a single subnet, so they > can get by just fine using IPv6 link-local addresses.  The vanishingly > small percentage that have multiple subnets are presumably savvy enough > to set up ULA-R ad

Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

I work for an Edu with multi-gigabit Internet connectivity and I get questions from users saying "Why am I only getting 14Mb when I run this speed test?" I have got to believe that the various Internet speed tests (Speakeasy or dslreports) are rate limited to prevent someone from shutting them dow

Re: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

Adjust your TCP window size. -Original Message- From: "Murphy, William" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:53:01 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest I work for an Edu with multi-gigabit Internet connectivity and I get questions from users saying "Why am I only getting 14M

Re: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

All the new OS's (IE Windows7) automatically adjust TCP window size. Personally I've never found those website speed test to be that accurate on fast connections (over 15Mbps full duplex). The only way to really confirm bandwidth is by running IPERF. Robert Glover wrote: Adjust your TCP wi

RE: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

Agreed. Most of the sites are not accurate for large bandwidth locations. Speedtest.net is flash based, however I find that slightly more accurate up to about 50-100mbit range. -Original Message- From: Bret Clark [mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:05 A

RE: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

2 things. 1: http://speakeasy.net/speedtest/issues.php (See the section on inaccurate results over 20Mbps and that the test is meant for "residential broadband services") 2: Speakeasy is a commerical ISP for both residential and business users. That means it is in their best interest to encou

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Bill Stewart wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > >> The vast majority of residential customers have a single subnet, so they >> can get by just fine using IPv6 link-local addresses. The vanishingly >> small percentage that have multipl

International TE

I am interested in only accepting international traffic from one of our secondary providers only. Most providers I have dealt with have a TE community list which allows me to prepend or not not advertise to their upstream peers. However, my primary provider does not have this. My goal is to not

Re: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Murphy, William wrote: > I work for an Edu with multi-gigabit Internet connectivity and I get > questions from users saying "Why am I only getting 14Mb when I run this > speed test?"  I have got to believe that the various Internet speed tests > (Speakeasy or dslre

Re: International TE

Thomas, Check this link: http://onesc.net/communities/ You can always play with as-path prepending and advertising a more specific subnets through different providers... Arie On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Thomas Magill wrote: > I am interested in only acceptin

Re: SMW4 Routing Implications

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, shake righa wrote: > What have been the routing implications in regards to internet traffic > with SMW4 > cable beign down? - --- Latency and slowness then again things are starting to change (mid-2010) in terms of

Terry Childs conviction

I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent outcome of his trial (convicted, one count of felony network tampering). http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/27/BA4V1D5Q22.D TL&tsp=1 -

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Apr 29, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Olsen, Jason wrote: I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent outcome of his trial (convicted, one count of felony network tampering). === I'm not surprised. It has littl

Re: Terry Childs conviction

Anytime you mess with a government entity, without legal guidance, you are at great risk. Mr.Childs took a risk and jury decided he was wrong. He faces 5 years in prison. -henry From: "Olsen, Jason" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 1:11:07 PM Sub

Time Warner Cable / Roadrunner contact - routing issue

If there is a Time Warner Cable / Roadrunner routing engineer monitoring this list can you please contact me off list regarding a routing issue from your IP block: 76.168.0.0/13 Thank you.

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:24:37 -0400 William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 12:59 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Roger Marquis wrote: > >> > NAT _always_ fails-closed > >> Stateful Inspection can be implemen

Re: [only half OT] A socio-psychological analysis of the first internet war (Estonia)

--- On Thu, 29/4/10, Gadi Evron wrote: > A socio-psychological analysis of the first internet war (Estonia) There has been no cyber war yet. Estonia was not a cyber war. You've got it fundamentally wrong on the world stage infront of everyone. Andrew

Re: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

1) The capacity that a campus has into I2 or NLR is different than the BW the campus purchases from their commercial provider(s). 2) The commercial BW test sites are not optimized for speed. They do not have unlimited capacity network connections. And, they have not tuned their network stack

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 15:11 -0500, Olsen, Jason wrote: > I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story > first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent > outcome of his trial (convicted, one count of felony network tampering). Surely even at DeVry th

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

CEO position -> Did you know:… > The majority of S&P 500 CEOs are in their 50s > 29% of S&P 500 CEOs have an advanced degree other than an MBA > CEOs in the S&P 401-500 group are more likely to have a shorter tenure with > his or her company than other S&P 500 CEOs > 60% of S&P 500 CEOs have b

Re: DNSSEC Deployment in ARPA Children

On 2010-04-28, at 9:29 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > Colleagues, > > ICANN plans to begin a test deployment of DNSSEC in various zones starting on > 2010-04-29: > > IN-ADDR-SERVERS.ARPA > IP6.ARPA > IP6-SERVERS.ARPA > IRIS.ARPA > URI.ARPA > URN.ARPA > > These zones will be signed using RSASHA2

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:47:02 CDT, William Pitcock said: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 15:11 -0500, Olsen, Jason wrote: > > I'm a bit surprised that after the furor here on NANOG when the story > > first broke (in 2008) that there's been no discussion about the recent > > outcome of his trial (convicted,

Re: Terry Childs conviction

Henry Linneweh wrote: Anytime you mess with a government entity, without legal guidance, you are at great risk. Mr.Childs took a risk and jury decided he was wrong. He faces 5 years in prison. Unlikely. From the article: "However, Judge Teri Jackson is expected to impose a sentence under whic

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:15 PM, wrote: > So if you want to make an analogy, it's more like taking the keys away from > a drunk so they can't drive.  Good luck finding a DA who will indict you for > grand theft auto for taking the keys to prevent a DWI. According to news reports in this case it

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over > passwords for property that is not legally yours, that you are > committing a crime. I mean, think about it, it's effectively theft, in > the same sense that if you refuse

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:24:37 -0400 > William Herrin wrote: >> Fail means that an inexperienced admin drops a router in place of the >> firewall to work around a priority problem while the senior engineer >> is on vacation. With NAT protecting

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > > Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over > > passwords for property that is not legally yours, that you are > > committing a crime. I mean, think about it,

Re: Terry Childs conviction

Illegal control = Conversion = at least a tort, but could also be a crime. On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:05 PM, William Pitcock wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: >>> Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you ref

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, William Pitcock wrote: Same difference, he still committed a crime and anyone who is defending him seems to not understand this. Whatever we want to call that crime, it's still a crime, and he got the appropriate penalty. Hi William. I have to agree that it does seem he

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On 4/29/2010 21:05, William Pitcock wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: >>> Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over >>> passwords for property that is not legally yours, that you are >>>

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:58:24 -1000, William Herrin said: > Funny thing about junior staff... Their reach is often longer than > their grasp. Someone has to have the keys when the senior guy is > away... Isn't that the defense that Terry Childs used? :) (Sorry, couldn't resist. :) pgpDBzT2JrQcL

Re: Terry Childs conviction

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:23 -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote: > On 4/29/2010 21:05, William Pitcock wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 21:48 -0400, David Krider wrote: > >> On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 16:47 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > >>> Surely even at DeVry they teach that if you refuse to hand over > >>>

Re: Terry Childs conviction

> > I beg to differ (the archives may reflect my objection last time around). > > > > I agree that a crime was committed. > > > > It was committed by the management that allowed this situation to exist. Agree. > > It is a pretty easy matter to maintain controls that make the passwords > > secur

Re: Edu versus Speakeasy Speedtest

On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 11:48 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Take a vacuum cleaner with extensions. Make a set of end connectors A "series of tubes" anyone? I'd also show them the rrd/MRTG graph at the perimeter. Be clear to them about the units. Never miss the chance to ask for more budget