RE: ISP customer assignments

2009-10-14 Thread Wouter de Jong
In a message written on Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:14:40PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: <..> > What about web-hosting type servers? Right now, I've got a group of > servers in a common IPv4 subnet (maybe a /26), with a /24 or two routed > to each server for hosted sites. What is the IPv6 equivalent?

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Mike Leber
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: For the v6 'Net to be used, customers - you know the people who pay for those router things and that fiber stuff and all our salaries and such - need to feel some comfort around it actually working. This did not help that comfort level. And I believe it is valid to

Re: ISP customer assignments

2009-10-14 Thread Nathan Ward
On 14/10/2009, at 7:23 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: DS-Lite is there for when the ISP runs out of IPv4 addresses to hand one to each customer. Many customers don't need a unique IPv4 address, these are the ones you switch to DS-Lite. Those that do require a unique IPv4 you leave on full dual stack

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Randy Bush
> I think you are stretching things to make a pithy post. More > importantly, you are missing the point. and hundreds of words do not cover that you accused HE of something for which you had no basis in fact. type less, analyse and think more. randy

Re: ISP customer assignments

2009-10-14 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Nathan Ward writes : > > On 14/10/2009, at 7:23 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > DS-Lite is there for when the ISP runs out of IPv4 addresses to > > hand one to each customer. Many customers don't need a unique IPv4 > > address, these are the ones you switch to DS-Lite. Those that do

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Randy Bush wrote: I think you are stretching things to make a pithy post. More importantly, you are missing the point. and hundreds of words do not cover that you accused HE of something for which you had no basis in fact. type less, analyse and think more.

multicast nightmare #42

2009-10-14 Thread Philip Lavine
Please explain how this would be possible: 1 sender 1 mcast group 1 receiver = no data loss 1 sender 1 mcast group 2+ receivers on same VLAN and physical segment = data loss

RE: multicast nightmare #42

2009-10-14 Thread Forestal, Andre Jr.
which mode? -Original Message- From: Philip Lavine [mailto:source_ro...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:20 AM To: nanog Subject: multicast nightmare #42 Please explain how this would be possible: 1 sender 1 mcast group 1 receiver = no data loss 1 send

Re: multicast nightmare #42

2009-10-14 Thread Adrian Minta
Philip Lavine wrote: Please explain how this would be possible: 1 sender 1 mcast group 1 receiver = no data loss 1 sender 1 mcast group 2+ receivers on same VLAN and physical segment = data loss Probably a crappy switch. -- Best regards, Adrian Mint

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Randy Bush
> As for accusations, I challenge you to show where I accused them of > anything. > From: patr...@ianai.net (Patrick W. Gilmore) > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:09:58 -0400 > Subject: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering > In-Reply-To: > References: > Message-ID: <0a37fd5d-d9d1

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
You really can't read, can you? And I spoke to Martin about it personally. If he's OK with it, perhaps you should clam down? -- TTFN, patrick On Oct 14, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Randy Bush wrote: As for accusations, I challenge you to show where I accused them of anything. From: patr...@ian

Re: multicast nightmare #42

2009-10-14 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009, Adrian Minta wrote: > >1 sender > >1 mcast group > >2+ receivers on same VLAN and physical segment > > > >= data loss > Probably a crappy switch. specifically, is your switch doing frame replication on ingress or egress? :) adrian

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Mike Leber
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: As for facts, there is lots of basis. HE has run a network for decades and has never let a v4 bifurcation happen so long. Ever. They've run v6 for a few years yet it happened. News flash, IPv6 is new. News flash, every single IPv6 network that gets configured th

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Phil Regnauld
Patrick W. Gilmore (patrick) writes: > You really can't read, can you? > > And I spoke to Martin about it personally. If he's OK with it, > perhaps you should clam down? I know Randy to be a bit taciturn and hard to get through to sometimes, but never of being a shellfish.

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Randy Bush
>> You really can't read, can you? >> And I spoke to Martin about it personally. If he's OK with it, >> perhaps you should clam down? > I know Randy to be a bit taciturn and hard to get through to sometimes, > but never of being a shellfish. i am from the pacific northwest. so shellfish is good.

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Dave Temkin
Randy Bush wrote: As for accusations, I challenge you to show where I accused them of anything. From: patr...@ianai.net (Patrick W. Gilmore) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:09:58 -0400 Subject: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <

Re: multicast nightmare #42 - REDUX

2009-10-14 Thread Philip Lavine
More info if this helps: Switch Platform: 4500 SUPII+ with gig line cards Data rate is <100Mbps Server OS: Windows 2003 R2 (please withhold snickering). - Original Message From: Philip Lavine To: nanog Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 8:19:51 AM Subject: multicast nightmare #42 Pleas

Re: multicast nightmare #42 - REDUX

2009-10-14 Thread Adrian Minta
Philip Lavine wrote: More info if this helps: Switch Platform: 4500 SUPII+ with gig line cards Data rate is <100Mbps Server OS: Windows 2003 R2 (please withhold snickering). Multicast traffic is routed ? -- Best regards, Adrian Minta

Contact for netsolmail.net / networksolutionsemail.com

2009-10-14 Thread Denis F.
Hello and sorry to bother you with my OT query. I'm looking for a technical contact at netsolmail.net or networksolutionsemail.com to troubleshoot an issue. It seems their SMTP servers can't join mine and I can't see what's wrong on my side. Thank you very much in advance, Denis

Re: Is v6 as important as v4? Of course not [was: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering]

2009-10-14 Thread Charles Wyble
On 10/14/09 8:11 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Typing less does not mean you are actually thinking. You should try the latter before your next pithy post. Or at least read the post to which you are replying. Now now boys and girls. Settle down and be civil. :)

Re: multicast nightmare #42 - REDUX

2009-10-14 Thread Benson Schliesser
Is the packet loss uniform for each receiver? Or is there a pattern to the loss, e.g. each receiver hears a different / non-overlapping 50% of the packets? Off the cuff, I'd suspect a problem with IGMP snooping. Cheers, -Benson On 14 Oct 09, at 12:36 PM, Adrian Minta wrote: Philip Lavi

RE: ISP customer assignments

2009-10-14 Thread Frank Bulk
So you're saying moving away from PPPoA/E and just going bridged? Frank -Original Message- From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:15 AM To: Justin Shore Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ISP customer assignments On 12/10/09 21:34 -0500, Justin Shore wro