Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients

2009-10-04 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! Sounds great but who cover the costs? If done right, such a treaty here in the US and elsewhere thing would be a major win for the Internet. The ISP's will pick up the costs. A cleaner customer base is also a win for them. First implementations wont be next week however but the sta

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients

2009-10-04 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! A major reason ISPs are hesitant to take deliberate measures against such systems is that they are afraid that disconnecting users and making them spend time and money cleaning up their systems will only drive them into the hands of competitors. And the support process itself is expensive,

Re: Minimum IPv6 size

2009-10-04 Thread Leo Vegoda
On 03/10/2009 8:19, "Matthew Petach" wrote: [...] > So, if I need to break up my /32 into 4 /34s to cover different geographical > regions, I should instead renumber into a new range set aside for /34s > and give back the /32? Sure seems like a lot of extra overhead. > Perhaps we should give ev

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients

2009-10-04 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Peter Beckman wrote: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, Gadi Evron wrote: The story is covered by PC mag: Thanks for the article Gadi. Honestly, I wish both my personal ISP and one of my business ISPs would do this. Though I have the technical ability to monitor my outgoin

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients

2009-10-04 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 04:33:43AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: > Uh... Here I differ. The rest of the internet should put up with > the abuse flowing out of your network for 3 days to avoid disruption > to you? Why? Sorry, if you have a customer who is sourcing malicious > activity, whether intent

Re: Minimum IPv6 size

2009-10-04 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> > If there are to be filters then they should be defined once and never > > changed as people will fail to update > > Yay! We can return to classful routing again. That sure worked out well > for us the first time around. ^_^; We have already, all we're discussing now is if we do a better jo

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients

2009-10-04 Thread Peter Beckman
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009, Owen DeLong wrote: * Provide a short period of time (3 days) after notification and before disconnect to give an opportunity to fix the issue without service interruption Uh... Here I differ. The rest of the internet should put up with the abuse flowing out of yo

OT: iPhone Problems

2009-10-04 Thread Clue Store
Mine's rebooted at leat 3 times a day sine the upgrade :( What ever happened to quality control http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2152619&tstart=0

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients

2009-10-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Peter Beckman wrote: >  service being cut off.  However it is ignorance and lack of maintenance >  that makes viruses and botnets so prevelant that it may just be time to >  bite the bullet and force users to learn how to maintain their machines. because this work

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients

2009-10-04 Thread Gadi Evron
Christopher Morrow wrote: I would also point out that Qwest does this walled-garden approach for their customers (have been for at least 5 years now? d...@qwest could clarify) and they've seen success with it. Aliant in .ca also has some fairly aggressive anti-malware works installed. There are

Re: OT: iPhone Problems

2009-10-04 Thread Chris Burwell
MMS or quaility control: pick one! :) On 10/4/09, Clue Store wrote: > Mine's rebooted at leat 3 times a day sine the upgrade :( > > What ever happened to quality control > > http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2152619&tstart=0 > -- Sent from my mobile device

ICETel Costa Rica BGP Engineers

2009-10-04 Thread Ken Gilmour
Hi there, Is there anyone from ICETel in Costa Rica who speaks English on this list? I need to discuss some BGP stuff and my Spanish is not the best. Failing that, anyone from RACSA or other major ISP in CR will do. Thanks! Ken

Re: Minimum IPv6 size

2009-10-04 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Leo Vegoda > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 04:32:44 -0700 > > On 03/10/2009 8:19, "Matthew Petach" wrote: > > [...] > > > So, if I need to break up my /32 into 4 /34s to cover different geographical > > regions, I should instead renumber into a new range set aside for /34s > > and give back th

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients

2009-10-04 Thread Barton F Bruce
Exactly correct. The number one priority, which trumps all others, is making the abuse stop. Yes, there are many other things that can and should be done, but that's the first one. Stopping the abuse is fine, but cutting service to the point that a family using VOIP only for their phone ser

Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients

2009-10-04 Thread Gadi Evron
Barton F Bruce wrote: Stopping the abuse is fine, but cutting service to the point that a family using VOIP only for their phone service can't call 911 and several children burn to death could bring all sorts of undesirable regulation let alone the bad press and legal expenses. While a legitima