Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Andrew Euell
So quoting the original document again: "The Federal government, with the participation of all departments and agencies, should expand support for key education programs and research and development to ensure the Nation’s continued ability to compete in the information age economy. Existing program

Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 31 May 2009, Andrew Euell wrote: are any nanog'ers Educators, the newly educated or Employers of the newly educated? Is Information technology Education really in as much trouble as the report suggests? I work with two new graduates of computer science/IT programs of state universities th

Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Randy Bush
> Two new grads are great, but over the next 10 years some estimates (yeah, > I know about statistics) say there will be a gap of over 100,000 new IT > Security jobs to fill in the US and close to a million unfilled positions > world-wide. and why do we think that throwing a jillion bodies at t

Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009, Randy Bush wrote: > and why do we think that throwing a jillion bodies at the problem is a > useful approach? No, but it does keep people employed. Sorry, I think I reached a new low in my "stabby, jaded" level when a past employer (a network consulting firm) blasted me for

Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Barney Wolff
Any organization moaning about unfilled slots is welcome to raise its salary scale, and fill them. All such whining is really an implicit statement that the job is not vital enough to fill. Funny, you never hear complaints about being unable to fill CEO slots, or bond traders. On Sun, May 31, 20

Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Randy Bush
>> and why do we think that throwing a jillion bodies at the problem is a >> useful approach? > No, but it does keep people employed. As hire As. Bs hire Cs. Lots of Cs. this problem needs neurons, not battalions. randy

Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Paul Vixie
Randy Bush writes: > As hire As. Bs hire Cs. Lots of Cs. > > this problem needs neurons, not battalions. this problem needs round-tuits, which Good Guys are consistently short of, but which Bad Guys always have as many of as they can find use for. a few battalions of B's and C's, if wisely de

Re: White House net security paper

2009-05-31 Thread Paul Vixie
Sean Donelan writes: > How many ISPs have too many network security people? network security is a "loss center". not just a cost center, a *loss* center. non-bankrupt ISP's whose investors will make good multiples only staff their *profit* centers. the Good Guys and Bad Guys all know this -- t