Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> They claim they will deploy IPv6 in their worldwide enterprise network, do > away with central based enterprise firewalls and do host-to-host > IPv6+IPSEC, Active Directory based certificates for authentication. That's why we end up breaking end to end, to cover up for stuff that exposes more

197/8 allocated to AfriNIC

2008-10-29 Thread Leo Vegoda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, The IANA IPv4 registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of one /8 IPv4 block to AfriNIC in October 2008: 197/8. You can find the IANA IPv4 registry at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml http://www

[funsec] ICANN Terminates EstDomains' Registrar Accreditation (fwd)

2008-10-29 Thread Gadi Evron
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:47:48 -0700 From: Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [funsec] ICANN Terminates EstDomains' Registrar Accreditation -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "Dear Mr. Tsastsin, "Be advised that

ADMIN: List FAQ/Monthly Post.

2008-10-29 Thread NANOG Mail List Committee
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Comcast contact

2008-10-29 Thread Colin Alston
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I know NANOG hates these mails but they happen anyway.. I need someone at Comcast who can help with why their server is detecting a host (that is not blacklisted, senderbased or anything) as spam. The URL Comcast gives with the spam block message

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Jack Bates
Brandon Butterworth wrote: as I am very tired of all the problems caused by multiple layers of NATs and PAT. Likewise but more because people keep designing stuff to try and force others to get rid of them, ignoring why they have them. A false sense of security? The belief that hiding behind

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Joe Maimon
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: They claim they will deploy IPv6 in their worldwide enterprise network, do away with central based enterprise firewalls and do host-to-host IPv6+IPSEC, Active Directory based certificates for authentication. You kno

Current subscribe address for outages list?

2008-10-29 Thread George William Herbert
I am advised by someone that there's an OC3 out in California, now being discussed/announced on the outages list. I fell off the outages list, went to resubscribe, and the link at http://www.isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/outages ...doesn't appear to work. I don't see email after Gadi's from June

Re: Current subscribe address for outages list?

2008-10-29 Thread Chaim Rieger
George William Herbert wrote: I am advised by someone that there's an OC3 out in California, now being discussed/announced on the outages list. I fell off the outages list, went to resubscribe, and the link at http://www.isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/outages ...doesn't appear to work. I don't s

Re: Current subscribe address for outages list?

2008-10-29 Thread Chaim Rieger
George William Herbert wrote: I am advised by someone that there's an OC3 out in California, now being discussed/announced on the outages list. I fell off the outages list, went to resubscribe, and the link at http://www.isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/outages ...doesn't appear to work. I don't s

Re: Current subscribe address for outages list?

2008-10-29 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 13:58, Chaim Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > actually nobody has posted any info about this other than what you just > posted, no details/carrier/location etc. Perhaps not on NANOG, but on the Outages list itself it was covered quite well. On 21-June-2008, RLVaughn

RE: Current subscribe address for outages list?

2008-10-29 Thread Daniel Faubel
I think Chaim was talking about the OC3 cut, not the list move. -Daniel -Original Message- From: Jim Popovitch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:32 AM To: Chaim Rieger Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Current subscribe address for outage

Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Paul Stewart
Hi there... I'm in a meeting next week to discuss settlement-free peering etc. always an interesting time. A push is on (by myself) to get into other physical locations and participate on the peering exchanges. Besides costs, what other factors are benefits to peering? I can think of some b

Re: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:17:45 EDT, Paul Stewart said: > I can think of some but looking to develop a concrete list of appealing > reasons etc. such as: > > -control over routing between networks > -security aspect (being able to filter/verify routes to some degree) > -latency/performance I'm surp

RE: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Paul Stewart
Thanks! That's a really good one and surprised myself I missed it..;) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:28 PM To: Paul Stewart Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Peering - Benefits? * PGP Signed by a

Re: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Steven King
It would only be a redundant connection if the AS your peering with is a transit AS. The AS that I work with is a stub AS and can not function as a fully redundant link. Just something to watch out for. Paul Stewart wrote: > Thanks! That's a really good one and surprised myself I missed it..;) >

RE: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Paul Stewart
Thanks - I believe the wording meant was "alternative path" versus connection... in other words if an AS has issues with one or more upstream providers for whatever reason, you have good chances the peering connection will remain in better shape (not always granted, but good odds) Paul -

Re: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Steven King
But if that AS is a stub, you still can't use their up stream providers to get data out to the rest of the world. It still wouldn't even function as an "alternative path" it would only function for the subnets which that AS owns. Paul Stewart wrote: > Thanks - I believe the wording meant was "alte

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Bruce Curtis
On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Joe Maimon wrote: Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: They claim they will deploy IPv6 in their worldwide enterprise network, do away with central based enterprise firewalls and do host-to-host IPv6+IPSEC, Active Direct

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Steven King
Kind of a side question but we have not implemented IPv6 in our network yet, nor have we made any plans to do this in the near future. Our management does not see a need for it as our customer base is not requesting it at this time. Does anyone see any benefits to beginning a small deployment of I

Re: Current subscribe address for outages list?

2008-10-29 Thread Gadi Evron
actually nobody has posted any info about this other than what you just posted, no details/carrier/location etc. Jared was kind enough to take the hosting load, and the list is now hosted there. Also, following discussions on nanog-futures I removed myself as moderator, so that we can co

Re: Current subscribe address for outages list?

2008-10-29 Thread Gadi Evron
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Gadi Evron wrote: actually nobody has posted any info about this other than what you just posted, no details/carrier/location etc. Jared was kind enough to take the hosting load, and the list is now hosted there. Also, following discussions on nanog-futures I removed

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Nathan Ward
On 30/10/2008, at 11:32 AM, Steven King wrote: Kind of a side question but we have not implemented IPv6 in our network yet, nor have we made any plans to do this in the near future. Our management does not see a need for it as our customer base is not requesting it at this time. Does anyone s

Re: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread isabel dias
"chance to pick up a redundant connection". Well, traffic will have chances to pick up an alternative AS path - mesh peering (at the public IX). Also go via the redundant physical link if you have one agreed w/ ure peering point, or just take the best egress path via the (or one of the )tran

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread isabel dias
question - "beginning a small deployment of IPv6 now even if its just for internal usage" Sure! there are plenty of reasons .most obvious one is to feel confortable about ipv6 --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Steven King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Steven King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Steven King
I personally agree with that. Now only if I can convince our management to start work on that. isabel dias wrote: > question - "beginning a small deployment of IPv6 now > even if its just for internal usage" > > > Sure! there are plenty of reasons .most obvious one is to feel > confortabl

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Nathan Ward
On 30/10/2008, at 11:48 AM, Steven King wrote: I personally agree with that. Now only if I can convince our management to start work on that. isabel dias wrote: question - "beginning a small deployment of IPv6 now even if its just for internal usage" Sure! there are plenty of reasons .

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:32:31PM -0400, Steven King wrote: > Does anyone see any benefits to beginning a small deployment of IPv6 now > even if its just for internal usage? It is almost lunacy to deploy IPv6 in a customer-facing sense (note for example Google's choice to put its on a separa

Re: Another driver for v6?

2008-10-29 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:29:40 -0700 "David W. Hankins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:32:31PM -0400, Steven King wrote: > > Does anyone see any benefits to beginning a small deployment of > > IPv6 now even if its just for internal usage? > > It is almost lunacy to deploy I

Re: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Randy Bush
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Re: Peering - Benefits?

2008-10-29 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 03:28:04PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:17:45 EDT, Paul Stewart said: > > > I can think of some but looking to develop a concrete list of appealing > > reasons etc. such as: > > > > -control over routing between networks > > -security aspect (be