Re: Public shaming list for ISPs announcing other ISPs IP space by mistake

2008-08-16 Thread Michael Smith
>> >> janitor. >> >> No really, the reason for some leaks isn't because so-and-so was >> never a customer, they were. 5 years ago. nobody removed the >> routes from >> the IRR or AS-SET or and now the route is >> learned via >> some other location and it's bypassed your perimiter security an

RE: Is it time to abandon bogon prefix filters?

2008-08-16 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
Since there are ways to dynamically filter the bogons, using BGP or DNS, I don't really see the need to stop doing so. If you're managing your routing and firewall filters manually, you have bigger problems than the release of Bogon space. It's not just the number of attacks that is the issue, bu

RE: Is it time to abandon bogon prefix filters?

2008-08-16 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
In the case of routers and firewalls, managing your block lists dynamically is akin to checking the oil. Which is something too few car owners do as well. It's also relatively easy to do: For firewalls, I came up with ThreatSTOP to make this simple for everyone. Team Cymru has been doing this

Re: Is it time to abandon bogon prefix filters?

2008-08-16 Thread Randy Bush
>> i contend that all one's routers should be rigorously >> configured as programmatically as possible. > What sort of tools do you use to facilitate this? ntt/verio, level(3), ... have sophisticated locally developed systems. they see these as competitive advantage, so sharing is extremely unlik

Re: impossible circuit

2008-08-16 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Jon Lewis wrote: What would happen if you pinged the Ocala router such that the TTL was 1 when travelling over the DS3? From your traceroute it seems it travelled two IP hops that did not send ICMP error messages, but it might just be that the ICMP errors from the Ocala ro

Re: impossible circuit

2008-08-16 Thread list-nanog
> >From the traces I've seen, it seems if the first Sprint hop is sl-bb20-dc, > the private IP hops don't show up. If the first Sprint hop is sl-crs2-dc, > then the private IP hops are there. I wonder if anyone from Sprint can > shed some light on that? That's an interesting correlation, but

Re: impossible circuit

2008-08-16 Thread Jay Hennigan
Is this only happening in one direction? One possibility is that the carrier has a different circuit that is provisioned up, HDLC, with no physical connection. A short-circuit in a DACS or MUX is bridging the transmit interface towards your destination with a transmit interface on the unused