Re: [ppml] too many variables

2007-08-13 Thread Eliot Lear
Leo Bicknell wrote: To Bill's original e-mail. Can we count on 2x every 18 months going forward? No. But betting on 2x every 24 months, and accounting for the delta between currently shipping and currently available hardware seems completely reasonable when assessing the real problem. Th

Re: [ppml] too many variables

2007-08-13 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 02:29:14PM +0200, Eliot Lear wrote: > This assumes "the real problem" is CPU performance, where many have > argued that the real problem is memory bandwidth. Memory doesn't track > Moore's Law. Besides, Moore's Law isn't a law. What's your Plan B?

Re: [ppml] too many variables

2007-08-13 Thread Eliot Lear
Leo Bicknell wrote: Now, once the FIB is computed, can we push it into line cards, is there enough memory on them, can they do wire rate lookups, etc are all good questions and all quickly drift into specialized hardware. There are no easy answers at that step... I think we're agreeing that

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread Douglas Otis
On Aug 12, 2007, at 6:41 AM, John Levine wrote: The problems with domain tasting more affect web users, with vast number of typosquat parking pages flickering in and out of existence. Domain tasting clearly affects assessments based upon domains. With millions added and removed daily as

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:40:32 PDT, Steve Atkins said: > If grandma-jones orders custom stationery and doesn't > manage to spell her name correctly, she'll end up with > misspelled stationery. The main difference is that > a misspelled domain name is likely to be a much cheaper > mistake than misspe

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread Barry Shein
On August 13, 2007 at 10:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Otis) wrote: > > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 6:41 AM, John Levine wrote: > > > The problems with domain tasting more affect web users, with vast > > number of typosquat parking pages flickering in and out of existence. > > Domain tast

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> I picked on example, there have been plenty of examples in the past of > folks just barely able to come up with 7$/yr for domain registration and > using donated hosting for their non-profit thing. It's a shame, they can probably find other benefactors. I doubt there are many cases though so is

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread Steve Atkins
On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote: but today that provision is: If you buy a domain you have 5 days to 'return' it. The reason behind the return could be: "oops, I typo'd" or "hurray, please refund me for the 1M domains I bought 4.

Re: [ppml] too many variables

2007-08-13 Thread Joel Jaeggli
John Paul Morrison wrote: > Can't any network problem can be solved by adding another layer of > indirection? > > Don't all the various nodes in a system simply "disappear" when another > technology comes along to organize, replace and manage the problem > differently? With iBGP there's been conf

Re: [ppml] too many variables

2007-08-13 Thread Cat Okita
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Leo Bicknell wrote: It seems to me an off the shelf PC with a Core 2 Duo processor, 4 gig of memory, and a gigabit ethernet port would be 1-2 orders of magnitude faster than what's currently in the routers. Optimize for a multithreaded CPU, add a second and it would converg

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread Jeremy Hanmer
On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Steve Atkins wrote: A question to the registrars here: What fraction of legitimate domain registrations are reversed because the customer didn't know how to spell, and noticed that within the five day "dictionary time"? From what I've seen here, most customers

Re: [ppml] too many variables

2007-08-13 Thread Scott Whyte
On 8/13/07, Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a message written on Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 02:29:14PM +0200, Eliot Lear > wrote: > > This assumes "the real problem" is CPU performance, where many have > > argued that the real problem is memory bandwidth. Memory doesn't track > > Moore's

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread John Levine
>I picked on example, there have been plenty of examples in the past of >folks just barely able to come up with 7$/yr for domain registration and >using donated hosting for their non-profit thing. I have my doubts imagining someone who is able to afford $500 for a computer, but not $10 for a doma

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Steve Atkins wrote: > On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote: > > So, to be clear folks want to make it much more difficult for > > grandma-jones to return the typo'd: mygramdkids.com for > > mygrandkids.com > > right? > > If grandma-jones orders custom statione

Re: [policy] When Tech Meets Policy...

2007-08-13 Thread John Levine
>A question to the registrars here: What fraction of legitimate domain >registrations are reversed because the customer didn't know how to >spell, and noticed that within the five day "dictionary time"? Registrar stats fall into two groups. One group is the tasters, who refund essentially all of