Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Florian Weimer
* Fred Baker: [Microsoft security updates] > It is my understanding that they even support pirated software in > this context; Their message on this message on this topic is rather mixed. The Office update used to display warnings that after a security update, pirated copies might cease to fun

Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Kevin Day
On Jun 15, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: Most users don't buy their software from Microsoft, either. It's preinstalled on their PC, and Microsoft disclaims any support. That is mostly true, except in the case of security issues - which is what I believe this thread is somehow s

Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Fred Baker
On Jun 15, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Kevin Day wrote: I've never tried it, but I've heard that they've been surprisingly helpful, even in cases where it was obviously not Microsoft's fault (directly, anyway). I'm not 100% positive that their policy explicitly allows OEM license holders to use that

Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Douglas Otis
On Jun 15, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Fergie wrote: - -- Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In most parts of the world, the Microsoft EULA is not enforceable. Most users don't buy their software from Microsoft, either. It's preinstalled on their PC, and Microsoft disclaims any support. N

Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Florian Weimer
* Douglas Otis: > At the prior ISOS conference in Redmond, Microsoft made assurances > even systems failing Genuine Advantage verification can enable > automatic udpates to obtain critical updates. One of the attendees > remarked privately this automation works only for English versions of > XP.

RE: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Frank Bulk
Let me buy an appliance that handles that DNS/filtering/firewalling/updating/etc for owned machines, one that has MSFT's blessing, and that just requires policy-based routing and handing out special DNS server IPs. Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Jeroen Massar
Frank Bulk wrote: > Let me buy an appliance that handles that > DNS/filtering/firewalling/updating/etc for owned machines, one that has > MSFT's blessing, and that just requires policy-based routing and handing out > special DNS server IPs. Please see one of: http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/pr

RE: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Frank Bulk
The Billy Goat product only seems to detect and notify nefarious activity, but it does nothing for the owned clients. I want something that restricts my owned subscribers to downloading updates and tools while preventing them from spewing forth more spam and the like. Mirage Networks is the close

RE: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-16 Thread Frank Bulk
In the 2+ years I have been working for an ISP I'm not aware of one customer that has gone over to one of our competitors because we identified and cut them off for an abuse issue. Most of them have been very grateful that we identified a problem and are earnest in resolving it. And for those wh